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freakyreef
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Fast forward to today and you can now get that size pack for as low as $60-80

Thats a lot less than what I had seen I guess. I was still seeing $160 and up for that size pack. Granted, I wasn't really looking, so it was more of a "Just noticed the price" thing. Heck I just spent 80 bucks for my last 3s 2070 pack for my B400 not too long ago...

Walk on water long enough, eventually you will get your feet wet.
11-07-2009 05:26 AM
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turboomni
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IF the LIPO IS A HIGHER c RATING then put in a Bigger motor to keep the run times the same or lower but get alittle more POWER!!!!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
11-07-2009 05:30 AM
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OICU812
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http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/23240/?a=f

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nano...er-119212.shtml

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/...ire-010908.html

If you guys don't believe this technology is not upon us very soon in the RC segment I feel you are sadly mistaken, the writing "is" on the wall, like it or not.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
11-07-2009 08:05 AM
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GScott
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I don't understand why everyone assumes nitro prices are going to go through the roof. I've been flying for 5 years now and the only siginificant price bump was during the Olympic shortage. Other than LHS sitting on old inventory or intentionally price gouging prices have returned to normal. You could buy Magnum and Wildcat CY 30% at IRCHA for well south of $20 a gallon. I'm willing to bet the Toledo price for Wildcat will be south of $20 next year as well.

I enjoy my Logo 500 and picked up a few of the new Hyperions to try. If they live up to the hype then it will be great for e-heli flyers. With that said I will never give up my nitros. They simply have too many advantages for me over the Logo. Nitro is not going anywhere in the U.S. In Columbus alone we have 3 RC clubs that will not be going anywhere. One has been here for years and is on land owned by the Army Corp of Engineers and the other 2 (including my heli club) are on old landfills that cannot be used for any useful purpose.

As far as not being able to fly in your backyard that is pretty much already a fact of life. Our house is on one of the larger size lots at 3/4 of an acre and there is no way even a 450 works for anything more than hovering and simple circuits. Having an e-heli doesn't solve this. When I first started flying I hovered my Sceadu in the backyard with no problems. It was no louder than a lawn mower.
11-07-2009 02:55 PM
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Blade_Master1
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I also have both nitro and electric
I have more places to fly the electric and practice
the nitro I usualy reserve for the weekends

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11-07-2009 03:18 PM
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freakyreef
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Big Fil. Seriously, where are you getting a 6s 5000 pack for 60-80 bucks? I would consider trying a larger electric with prices like that.

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11-07-2009 03:58 PM
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Blade_Master1
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Seriously, where are you getting a 6s 5000 pack for 60-80 bucks? I would consider trying a larger electric with prices like that.

Try Hobbycity

If it weren't for them I would still be flying 450's instead of a 30 size electric

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11-07-2009 06:02 PM
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FlyingHigh450
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GScott
I don't understand why everyone assumes nitro prices are going to go through the roof. I've been flying for 5 years now and the only siginificant price bump was during the Olympic shortage. Other than LHS sitting on old inventory or intentionally price gouging prices have returned to normal.
Thats what ive told people before,the ONLY reason it went up was from the Olympic.Right now its $15.00 bucks for 15% Wildcat,$30.00 for 30% Wildcat and $85.00 for a case of 30% wildcat .

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11-07-2009 06:35 PM
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Olli-Pekka Mahrberg
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This is an interesting topic. I used to fly a 700 electric. The battery (Outrage 4200 25C) lasted for about 40 cycles and then caught fire in flight. It was run too empty a couple of times though. Hobby City lipos wouldn't probably have lasted even for that 40 cycles. You really gotta be rich or have good sponsors to fly 3D with a big electrics. I am not rich and don't have good sponsors so I decided to abandon big electrics for a while . I'm now flying nitros but I truly believe that elecrics are going to win the battle in the future and I will go back to 90E's when the technology has developed a bit further..

What I want so see is 8000+mAh packs that weight the same and cost less that 5000's today. Also a system to prevent deep discharge would be great. Or then batteries that wouldn't mind being run empty.

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11-07-2009 09:15 PM
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sonnyhad
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"Don't know where you get your info Sonnyhad, but Nitromethane nor methanol commanly used in our model fuels are derived from corn.

Ethanol, derived from corn (or sugar and some other "plants" does not generate as much power as methanol and burns "dirtier" than methanol."

All I know is that, the excuse for the reason Nitro fuel was so high in 2008 was because corn prices were so high. I don't claim to know it all but that's the reason I was told back then!

The sky is my friend, the ground is my enemy!Now I have to add Trees, to my enemy list!!! Dammit!!!
11-07-2009 11:08 PM
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jbrown2288
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Nitro for me I'll never give it up and its going nowhere I hope......

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11-08-2009 01:36 AM
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dbldins
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I'd have to have more flight time. I feel that the price of batteries would deter. 5min out of a LiPo or 20min of fuel? The latter makes sense to me. Got my first nitro not long ago and now it comes out more than the others.

I need helirehab before I'm livin under a bridge.
11-08-2009 03:11 AM
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Aaron29
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I love everything about nitro. The mechanics of what is happening is fascinating.

That said, I'm not committed to it. If electric ever eclipsed every advantage of nitro, I'd switch. The physics of electrics is just as entertaining. No mess. No clutches. No fan hub runout to check. Sweet! I'm game.

But it isn't just about power. The cost effectiveness must be considered. The flight times must be considered. The responsibilities of LiPo battery management must be considered.

Flying nitro, I've also gotten to where I run out of fuel before I want to land. I've even been considering going all gassers due to it. Electric flight times are just too short. I'm just getting warmed up when my electric starts getting tired.

More importantly, I can leave my fuel in a jug unattended without worrying about it. But flying my electric while another LiPo charges without my supervision is borderline irresponsible. This HAS to be considered in the fun-factor of electric vs. nitro. And CERTAINLY must be considered when you talk about fuel-and-fly benefits of each.

Plus, to get a fuel-and-fly setup with electric is more cost at the onset.

Electrics aren't going to eclipse nitro yet. They're making lots of gains but electric and nitro each have their own advantages. Once one eclipses the other it will predominate.

But that won't happen in 7 years. We will still have these silly threads in 2016.

-Aaron
11-08-2009 03:31 AM
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