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QuantumPSI
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Location: Boston, MA

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So Q≈43.36 does your 700 with the Aurora head fly as rock solid as the MA??

Well I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "solid". However I will try to answer the question the best I can. The Stratus IS more stable in the air (it's the heavier of the too). However, the level of predictability to control response is about the same on both machines. When it comes to aggression though, the 700 with Aurora head wins that one. The 700 tracks a little bit better than the Stratus and flies a little faster (lighter and newer engine so no big surprise here). The cyclic and collective response off the center is faster on the 700 (longer flybar and more aggressive paddles, so again, no surprise here). In a nut shell, yes, the 700 with Aurora head flies better. It is just as stable (the head I mean) and definitely more aggressive. Now don't get me wrong, I love the way my Stratus flies, I can FEEL the precision in the air, but I can feel it on my 700 as well. And just to be fair, I run pretty much the same electronics on the both of them! I really like the way my "Advent" flies. It flies like an Aurora and is cheap like an Align! This is what, I think, every 90 aims to achieve. Stratus/Synergy/Aurora flight performance but at the cost of the 700N. Clearly I'm saying something about the stock head on the 700N if I went through so much trouble to put on the Avant head.

I am a FIRM believer that the way a helicopter flies is 90-95% of the head with the rest given to the frame and weight distribution (I'm ignoring different blades/paddles when I say this). The Stratus DOES have a more "solid" frame IMO, but I can say the 700N frames are more than stiff enough to not flex in flight which is all you really need. I still love my Stratus, but the fact of the matter is, it's my hangar queen. And now, I have a machine that flies "better" (whatever that means) for me that is far more affordable.

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
10-10-2009 05:12 PM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

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yannick We are diverting...

hello.

My goal was not to start another MA vs ALIGN fight. I am myself flying a MA Stratus and a T700 and I confirm that the MA flys Way better but each one has its own interest, depending of what you want to achieve.

I was just highlighting the fact that some guys are trying to sell these amazing 1100 USD machines in great shape for less that 400 USD and seem to have difficulties to sell... That was my point.

Thanks

Yannick.

IF they are selling a 1100 machines for less than 400 USD I promise you one thing I will be buying them faster than you can type that sentence, along with many others here doing the same thing.
So your first post is faults and I call you on that, not to be rude its just the facts that MA posted at that price are selling quick.

I think its funny how this person below here is trying to prove some point knowing good and well if he watches this site what the ave price is going for his heli even with extra parts. THIS GUY IN THIS POST http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t542548p1/

Its funny how he started from the ridiculous price at the beginning knowing good and well it wont sell for that, why is he doing it the way he is using big red letters to do so??
How many will look at that and think MA must be a bad heli, wonder if hes being paid to make the MA look bad and for someone who has never flown MA may look at that add and think MA sucks, why start the price at a number that for a fact has never sold for on the ave here on RR in a long time??????????

Hayes hit it perfectly on the nail, many posting about the MA and have never flown them, and I mean truly flown them have no clue about what they are talking about.

So many have gotten into the hobby flying a cheaper heli that they think that cheaper heli is the way to go, and for them it may be.

But when I let a very awesome sponsored pilot fly my extreme with the YS 90 SR said it was a very tight heli and loved it, and with my little experience compared to others with MA that says allot about MA and how well they are even to lower advanced pilots like me.

Until you truly fly a MA built right you will never know, as it will only be an opinion.

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-10-2009 07:12 PM
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fla heli boy
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Location: cape coral, florida

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Bottom line...not a beginners machine. Only because they are a little pricey to repair. Just don't crash 'em!!! My first machine was a Shuttle back in '90 or so. Moved quickly into MA stuff and pretty much all I flew for 5-6 years. I had a 60 (before 90's!!) in a Long ranger (MA fuse), a back-up 60, another 60 (my 3D bird) with every bling/anodized and carbon or G-10 bit you could get from either MA or Bergen (my dad is a long time friend of Larry Bergen - Chris's dad) and a 40 Xcel with an OS 46 (my BEST 3D bird actually) before they came out with the Hyper. I also had a Kalt Enforcer, a Schluter Champion, a Concept 60 and a Shuttle in a Ranger fuse.
Let me just say that the MA birds were just in a different category.
The birds they make now are even better. If I have the cash when the 50 comes out, I'm back into a nitro. For the money, they can't be beat. And to add to what's been said on page 1, I have been looking at some of the older birds with a 90 on the classifieds. The price is too good to believe and a real steal if you're not gonna stuff them every time out.
10-10-2009 07:27 PM
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biglahou
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Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

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The price is too good to believe and a real steal if you're not gonna stuff them every time out.

Great bargen even if you don't crash them every time you go out, who doesn't want to have a hanger of 6 to 8 heli's all set up a different way.

But again the first post said the MA's where selling for 30% of cost and not selling, and that is faults, cus at that price they sell faster than any other heli here.
Why? now everyone at the field who is crashing every time they go out is flying cracker jack heli's from Taiwan.

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-11-2009 12:11 AM
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QuantumPSI
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Location: Boston, MA

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who doesn't want to have a hanger of 6 to 8 heli's all set up a different way.

I don't. I've experienced having a number of helicopters and hated it. Spent more time tinkering and adjusting than flying. Now all of my machines are fuel and fly (or plug and play). To each his own though...

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
10-11-2009 01:12 AM
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Andy17
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Location: Ellijay, GA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		At the prices they are going for their great intermediate pilot helis!! I have crashed furys and stratus many times average cost including blades about $400-500 on a good hard crash. Not a dork a full on in the ground hard crash. I don't think its really that much more than anyother heli on the market. They hold up much better than most fly better than most and when you run'em in the ground you will be supprised at how little is damaged. I have had many crashes or smaller dork with very little damage at all!
To his question, just as shown in this thread, the cost preception has hurt resale for MA. It is wrong! Buy a MA there are NO upgrades needed and over all crash cost are not very different at all!!! I would say IMHO they fly better and COST LESS to own in the long run.
I'm not flaming anyone and guys are going to jump in and give their .02 worth and thats great. I have been flying for about 15+ years and have own many helis this is just my experences.

Andy
10-11-2009 03:55 PM
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MattJen
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My opinion..

the furyxtreme 90 was my first 90 size machine, my instructor was sponsored by xcell so i was influenced by his flying, i got one loved it, i changed the head over to a tempest FAI head and i competed with it for nearly 2 years, i absolutly loved it..

I then went to a venture 90, i have to say the Venture hoverd better than the Xcell but the roll and aeros was far superior on the xcell..

I then tried an Avro which has taken the best from an xcell on aero performance and has taken the hovering performance from a JR machine, absolutly loved it but i was no where as comfortbale with it as i was my xcell..

I now have a century predator, you can clearly see it is an xcell copy head, and i have to say i am happy with it, but out of all the machines i have flown NONE of them i have flown as comfortably and well as i did on my fury, i was thinking of going back, but a guy at my field crashed his and it cost more to replace than what he would sell it for, so he bought a trex,

I have flown the 600 and 700 and there quality compared to an xcell is like comparing a rolls royce to a ford escort, the xcell is one of the best built machines and still sets the standard from which all others have evolved..

it is sad they have lost their value, but i still think they are one if not thee best machines out there.. but people want a quick ride into flying hellies, they dont want ot mess around dialing in a fan or shimming, they want plug and play instant satisfaction, and that is where the xcell is different,it does take longer to set up, but once done it gives you years of pleasure unlike a the align range..

Matt
10-11-2009 07:51 PM
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biglahou
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Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Great post Matt, and for me that was a great read I dont know if its sad they have lost value, to many thats a great thing, to MA its not so good I thank align for helping us consumers get more from MA.

But in this as in many things competition is a great thing helps the consumer like us, and forces MA to re-tool the MA line.
And that goes for all heli lines, who they have on top now to help make that happen is great news getting backup help from flyco is also a way for them to compete with all lines of helis, variety is a good thing too if everyone was flying just one brand heli it would make this hobby boring.

I do know based on what I have seen and my experience with business aspects of any company is the MA line about to be let loose regardless of how long its taken ""as we all MA lovers have still been able to fly in the mean time"" is that the MA heli of the future is going to kick some royal azz.
Its the heli to compete with align's cost and out do it with quality built materials so the MA line can compete also in winning awards.

As with all good companies they will see a down side before it comes back up, the ones who are on line to go with the new MA I do know its going to be one heck of a heli and I do know I will own a 90 size when it comes out.
BUT I dont want it to come out till its ready, ready to the point that it gets the seal of approval of top end test pilots ironing out the flaws, in the mean time I will be happy flying my trusty Extremes till then.

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-11-2009 08:46 PM
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haronc
Senior Heliman
Location: epsom nh usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Go get'm biglahou

i hope ma is giving you a discount on parts or something for all this,
damn your long winded thou
10-12-2009 01:16 PM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thanks, it does take allot of work to show some of these guys the reality of life.
Kinda like raising couple young kids who sometimes just don't get it.
Good point on the discount on parts though, maybe I should contact them on that

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-12-2009 05:30 PM
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Caliber-1
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Location: Bulger,Pa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Miniature makes good machines, but sometimes they seem to skimp in my opinion. They reduce the price of the kits and take good parts out to save money. Badddd.....very Baddd.
Number one is the carbon tail boom. Regardless the reasons behind the carbon tail booms no longer included the customers want them and MA will not supply.
Reducing metal levers to plastic......well, I'll just go buy a low end kyosho if I want that.
It just seems that they either cant or do not want to offer the items that sell the kit.
And probably what you guys are talking about also. The non release of the new kits.
The move was suppose to take a few weeks......it seems to have been a few months.
I fly miniatures. Like 'em I do. But its odd how things are dragging out with them.
Lets get the ball rolling again MA!!!!!
10-17-2009 08:00 AM
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