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yannick
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Location: london

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		just wondering, you can see guys selling brand new helis for 30% of the price and nobody is buying, is it credit crunch is there nobody believing in MA anymore???
10-02-2009 05:49 PM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I Just got a Fury Extreme and absolutly love it. If you do some research mostly parts are cheaper than the Raptor (the stratus costs more)...However its seem like im going to be forced back to TT because of the pitch range of the MA.


Personally I think MA just gained a reputation of unbelivably high prices early on and instead of people doing the research to look into it themselves they just belive what they hear.. So when people see an MA for sale they fly right on past it.

Thats what I think anyways
10-02-2009 06:02 PM
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luca bianchessi
Senior Heliman
Location: bergamo, italy

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i think they are loosing costumers' trust beacuse of the ""nevere released"" furions 50 and 90......well, at least that's the reason why i don't believe in them anymore....
10-02-2009 06:05 PM
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QuantumPSI
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Location: Boston, MA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I know one thing though, when I get some extra cash, I'll be looking for a "free stratus" in the classifieds

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part
10-02-2009 06:26 PM
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haronc
Senior Heliman
Location: epsom nh usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Everone that iscomplaining about the new .50 and .90

when it does get released (which it will)
IT WILL BE WORTH THE WAIT. They just moved the whole
company to MT and the deal to buy it didnt happen overnight
i am sure that has alot to do with it.


I am waiting patiently and i will buy both as soon as i can.
10-02-2009 07:55 PM
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Jag72
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Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Min Air..

I think the reason everyone is dumping them is COST of ownership and repair...

Min Airs used to be on top of the pile....but ....they haven't come out with any new models and the COST to repair them is higher than most other models in the class....

Most people including me cannot justify paying $100 for a boom/torque tube and tail rod when the same parts for a trex are half the price...

Min Airs are still good...but not good enough to warrant the crash costs in my opinion...

just my opinion

Esprit Model Flight Team
10-02-2009 08:07 PM
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chopperben1
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I do agree that parts are expensive, but aside from repairs that come from a crash (in other words, repairs relating to ongoing maintenance), I have found that compared to my trex, my MA helis can fly longer and take more harder flying before they need parts replaced. Not sure if this really saves $$$, but it at least off-sets some cost.

I have one Stratus that has a ton of flihgts on it now and seems just as "tight" today as it was a few months ago (i.e. no slop in the head, tail gears meshing perfectly...etc).

I definitely agree that to repair a Stratus after a crash can be expensive though!

- Ben
10-02-2009 11:17 PM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OH MY CRAP, are some of you so lost in what you think???

I started back into this hobby less than a year ago and have only flown MA, and looked close to buying Align, had only one expert 70 now I have two extreme's and another expert building now a 3rd extreme, with 2 back up expert frame sets, and one back up frame set for the extreme.

COST of where Im an now compared to just the one Fury expert I started with less than a year ago,,,,,oh my gosh you guys have no clue, a Fury Tempest almost new, just sold yesterday for only 350 shipped how much cheaper could you fly MA, just ask haronc he bought it, compared to the "crash throw away Align"

I dont care who you are MA is about to regain a major part of this hobby back and I cant wait to see the ones neg talk about MA eat crow.

I compared fragile Align heli's to the cost of today of MA, USED SIDE, and MA was way cheaper to fly USED.
And due to the fact MA is built way better last longer to boot I hope all you who believed MA is on the down side please keep it up its making it cheaper for me to fly.

Dollar for dollar quality to quality for NEW MA compared to Align not much difference.

""""""""Why are people almost giving MA birds for free in classified?
just wondering, you can see guys selling brand new helis for 30% of the price and nobody is buying, is it credit crunch is there nobody believing in MA anymore???[quote]""""""""""""""""""""

This is so far from the facts that is was posted just to get a rise out of MA owners, EXCEPT THE PART OF SELLING FOR 30% OF COST,, why? because all I see in classified's are Align trying to be sold and not moving,, MA's that are listed dont last long if priced right, or parting it out being the fastest way to get the best price for your heli.

Go count them up and you will see way more align for sale than MA for sure..

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-05-2009 04:50 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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Go count them up and you will see way more align for sale than MA for sure..

Thats prabably because theres 10 times more Align helis out there than MA.


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COST of where Im an now compared to just the one Fury expert I started with less than a year ago,,,,,oh my gosh you guys have no clue, a Fury Tempest almost new, just sold yesterday for only 350 shipped how much cheaper could you fly MA, just ask haronc he bought it, compared to the "crash throw away Align"


When your compareing prices you cant take used parts and helis into consideration..reguardless of brand if your buying the heli and parts used its prabably going to be cheaper than align new. There wont "always" be a kit avaliable for $300 dollars everytime you crash, or used parts for sale when you need them. All you can do is stockpile them.

I dont know about you but when I crash I want to know what its going to cost me, not what it "might" cost me. Also take overlooked damage and worn out parts on used helis into consideration.

Align is,and will be the cheapest helis to fix..no doubt about it..But quality is the issue.


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I dont care who you are MA is about to regain a major part of this hobby back and I cant wait to see the ones neg talk about MA eat crow.


Generally when you can barely get any money for your helis or parts it means the company is loseing its popularity..not gaining it.


Dont get me wrong, I love my MA. But they ARE expensive...a boom,TT,and boom supports and pushrod is over $110 for MA, compared to what for Align, $40-50? spindle,10 bucks for MA,mainshaft $16...its not cheap in the least


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OH MY CRAP, are some of you so lost in what you think???

Yes, you

If you need another reality check ill do a simulated crash and post the repair prices for both Align 700 and MA Fury Extreme, Although Im bored I think Ill just do it out of couriosity lol
10-05-2009 05:17 AM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		LOL reading my post you will see I broke it down USED verses NEW.
New Align's for the most part of it break down allot due to poor part quality.
So a new MA lasting longer due to better quality dollar for dollar are about the same in the long run, but not right off the shelve, but MA with the "new move" is going to change that dramatically.

I cant count how many gal of fuel my old Fury expert has burnt in fuel and never needed a rebuild yet, had it for over 5 years now, I call her my tank just keeps on going.

Align is for sure having their moment in time like all things, but they are in trouble unless they clean up the poor quality of parts issues.

Align gets away with the low cost, but makes up for it in poor quality parts I keep hearing about, replacing parts all the time sure can make align a bunch of money.

Regardless of the fact their is many more align's out their or not for how many more for sale over MA here in the classifieds, if align are so great why sell in the first place??
What if the ones selling right now are realizing the poor quality and are selling due to that but wont admit to it as it will drop the value of the heli.
Ive seen align quality and to me they suck.
Any heli can fly but how long they can fly with little maintenance and break down is a big big big issue for most.

Now for crashing, used is still the way to go at this time in the economy, and stockpiling used heli's, you know is a smart idea, as I dont care much anymore if I do crash, I just switch it all over to a back up heli.
New is for the jones'es.
Or a x-mas gift from someone
Plus Im doing my part for the economy and recycling

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-05-2009 05:36 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		But when compareing prices, you cannot compare USED into the mix. However thats cool if your happy with used parts. I personally am fine with used but when im buying a heli I look at its acctual cost, not its "possible" cost. And then if I later find a good used parts lot I say "yay".

Im going to do this list between the 700 and MA fury..im just courious and ill post my findings.

You dont really have to replace anything on the 700 other than balls and links..everything else is very reliable and wears well..


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if align are so great why sell in the first place??
What if the ones selling right now are realizing the poor quality and are selling due to that but wont admit to it as it will drop the value of the heli.


If MA is so great why are people giving them away??

If there was as many MA's as there was align they too would be flooding the classifieds, and would cost more than they do now.


Its because their so dang expensive and people are afraid to fly them.

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Its because their so dang expensive and people are afraid to fly them.

to add to my comment....Only a few people can benifit from getting great deals on used helis

That tempest for $350 that sold..50 people prabably wanted that, one got it..that one guy wont have to worry about his next crash, that other 49 will have to go to rons and buy the parts.
10-05-2009 05:54 AM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Im not afraid to crash the MA as cheap as I am in to them now, in the beginning I was afraid to crash, and I thank Align for making it so cheap for me now.

yes I already posted awhile back how much I love align for this.
Competition is good, but and I say but, Not one company will ever take away the quality of MA.

Quality goes a long way, I cant wait to see how well people talk about align quality when they have been on the market as long as MA has been on the market.

Can align get better? yes, will MA get even better? yes, but as for the reason this topic got started that MA used are not selling is faults, as their is really only about 4 for sale right now and they are asking over 1000 for two of them, one over 2000, and couple under 1000 on the first couple pages if you can find them in the align clutter. that fury tempest for 350 sold in minutes of being listed.

So for me I love the cheaper deals, and fly feeling good that if I crash it dont hurt so much anymore.

Plus MA looks way better when it comes to looks.
In St George I let a sponsored pilot fly my Fury Extreme YS90SR, its my baby heli I sleep with, after he flew it "never flown MA" commented how nice the heli flew and how solid it felt to him, that he might get one for himself, and all he flew was Align.

Not matter what said or how put words may be, MA still has a strong beating heart that wont stop.
And I love how Align is forcing MA to become even better.

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-05-2009 06:22 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Im not saying Align is better at all..as you said you cannot beat the quality of an MA. The 700 is by far the worst flying 90 as far as being locked in good tracking and precise. You can see it when you watch them fly...its like a big 50 instead of a 90..They make a good beater for sure, but I dont even consider it a "real" 90.


I dont understand what your getting at..Its like your trying to prove that MA is cheaper than Align.....Thats great if it works out that way for you, but like I said a good deal can only go to 1 person out of the many that want it. Not everybody can be on RR 24/7 to catch the deals.


I dont consider that buying parts new is "keeping up with the jones'es" in the least.. Buying every new heli that comes out, maybe, but not buying parts after a crash.

If you compare how it is for most people, MA is Easily almost twice as expensive, and maybe even more. Thus people are afraid to fly them.
10-05-2009 08:13 AM
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stenkilde
Heliman
Location: Denmark

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		"New Align's for the most part of it break down allot due to poor part quality"??? What the f... a statement! If you build a T-Rex proper it will last.

I have a T-Rex 600N Pro and a Stratus. They are both great machines and I love them both but for different reasons. I have also build and flown two T-Rex 700 and they are great machines too.

I my opinion the only thing that Align and MA has in common is that they are both helicopters and I think that comparing the two are nonsense.

By the way I hope that MA will survive
10-05-2009 11:39 AM
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Brian Bennett
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Location: Dugway/Tooele UT, USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		There is a parts comparision application on Rick's website. Check for yourselves. Arguing used parts and kits is apples to oranges.

B

Team MRC-Hirobo and Model Avionics Rep
10-05-2009 02:38 PM
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helinut71
Heliman
Location: ky. usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		why miniature aircraft?

I've owned miniature since they had the S.E., and now own 2 Stratus'. I finally sold my Fury Expert .70 today after 6 years of dedicated service, and it's still flying fantastic! In short, you get what you pay for. Sure Align and Thunder Tigre give you a 'less expensive' model up front...but what about over time? The quality of craftsmanship in a Miniature is unequalled. If you want a 3D machine that will prove itself over the long haul, maintain a 'tighter' feel, and overall provide much better satisfaction, then go with Miniature. If you want to replace more things more often for less money then buy something cheaper.
10-05-2009 07:10 PM
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Hayes
Senior Heliman
Location: Moab, Utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hmmmmm, As for why, you would have to ask the people giving the MA's away and I would bet that each one would give you a different answer. Everything else is speculation.
IMO if you want a heli that is one of the best flying heli's out there and has no mechanical problems then buy MA. If you want something cheaper then go that way.

BTW If you want to give that MA stuff away just PM me.

NewEnglandHeli
MagnumFuels
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10-05-2009 08:56 PM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I agree you cant compare Align with MA, MA is the caddy brut of the ski, and Align is like buying a Geo metro.

Geo's being as cheap as they are new, break down fast over time.

What I am trying to prove is that the MA's once listed sell quick at a fair price you have to be quick to to snag one up, like trying to find gold in the middle of all the align garbage.

The first post in this topic was about how the MA's where not selling and that is faults, as soon as they go up look how many views each one gets.

And as for MA being more expensive I will fight that they are not due to the long lasting quality of the MA verses low quality Align's.

This is the fact on the table, if one person was to beat on both brands set up the same way the MA will outperform the align in quality of parts bar none.
The fact also is you get what you pay for, quality cost money, junk is more expensive over time, so I say why not buy quality up front.

Now I can see that if you crash alot then buy align.
Just like if you want to save gas buy a geo metro.

By the way all, its all good, this is just my wacky opinion.

And time will tell the outcome later on.
On the last note, I been now flying hard for the last year getting back into this hobby, and Ive heard more complaints about align pilots about the quality in the last year, than Ive ever heard over my entire heli hobby about other heli's.

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-05-2009 09:11 PM
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biglahou
Senior Heliman
Location: Idaho, the potato land, with better looking women.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hey to all on a another note,
while everyone flying Align is spending all their time hyping up the align imagine just this thought on how many other heli companies coming out on the market is or could be better than align and could be cheaper than aling and maybe even of good equal quality to MA???????

But because so many are playing around with geo Metro's we may be forgetting about a possible diamond in the ruff.

Hayes what brand did you tell me that you felt when you flew at ircha just made you want to have one??

OK,,,SO WHAT, IM ADDICTED, WHATS YOUR POINT?
10-05-2009 09:21 PM
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Anthony.L
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Location: Seattle, WA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		biglahou, I'm not even going to waste my time counter your comments, you are more of a align troll then anything and nothing is ever going to change your mind. So be it.

Here's another viewpoint on Align quality vs. cost of parts. Not everyone is looking for a heli that they can fly for 4 years straight and not have a single part wear out. Most people, especially ones that are just starting out, are looking for a heli that is easy to assembly and cheap to repair after a crash. MA is neither of those, USED or NEW.

To advance your flying skills at an average or above average pace you will crash, many times. It's just a factor of learning this hobby.

So you crash often due to the learning process. The bottom line is you will more then likely replace Align parts that could wear due to a crash before then even have a chance to wear out in normal operation.

Buy a expensive part that lasts 4 years, and replace in 2 months after a crash. OR buy a inexpensive part that lasts maybe a year but is replaced after a crash anyways, while still having more money in your wallet for additional crashes.

It's all about what you want to accomplish with your heli, and less about the parts costs/quality.

With all that said, my personal strategy next year will be a combination of both. A T-Rex 700 is beat the living piss out of learning new moves and tricks, and will fly well but crash cheap. I will also have an expensive high quality heli that I will enjoy but not flying at 110% like the Trex. They both serve completely different needs.
10-05-2009 11:33 PM
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