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e-Thunder Tiger Raptor E Series > E620 620 on 8s???
 
 
pete05
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Hey guys


How would a 620 go on 8s with a 1515/2y neu motor fitted up?


thanks
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10-01-2009 02:06 PM
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Ben-T-Spindle
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The Kv is a little high and it would probably run hot. If you already have the motor you could give it a try.

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10-01-2009 04:49 PM
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henrik04
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And if you swing 620mm blades (SAB) or 623mm (Maniac) the current on 8S is going to be pretty high.

10S is better for this blade size. If you want to stay in the low voltage range, then better go to a 550 blade size.

Happy flying.

E-325 Full metal head and carbon bits. E-620 Kasama head tail
10-06-2009 06:16 PM
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aaronredbaron
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I flew my Mini Titan on 8s for a while
seriously, 1300 kV Mega 16/15/7 with a CC 35 HV on 8s 740 mAh cells flew about the same, with lower temps and a little longer flight times

wow, 2008 was a crappy year! Oh well, I'm goin flying :)
10-16-2009 10:24 PM
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pete05
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so if i go to 10s and say a 630kv 4025 scorpion, is 2x5s 4000mah packs the way to go? or should i go 5s 5000mah packs?

Is a 70a hv esc good enough for 10s
10-17-2009 03:01 AM
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pete05
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Also I forgot to ask, whats the performance difference in the air between the 620 and 550.
10-17-2009 06:50 AM
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SeismicCWave
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>>Also I forgot to ask, whats the performance difference in the air between the 620 and 550.<<

Probably the difference between a Raptor 30 and the Raptor 50.

1515/2Y has a 1100 kV. That would be pretty high rotor head speed on 8s. I am flying a 1521/2.5Y with a 1050 kV on 6s and the head speed is very impressive.

Also I am flying with an 8T pinion and it will strip the main gear in the blink of an eye.

I think something around 800 kV will be good for 8s.

Yes 630 kV will be good for 10s but you are increasing the over all weight and disk loading by quite a bit.
10-17-2009 08:13 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
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A Scorpion HK4025-890 with a 10t pinion has fantastic 3D power. If you have a good 30C 8s LiPo you will get about 2200 headspeed in flight.



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10-17-2009 11:05 AM
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pete05
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ok thanks for that so the 4025 890 with something like a 70a hv esc and 8s will be sweet, so is 4s 4000 30c or 5000 30c the go?
10-17-2009 11:16 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
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I am flying my 4025 890 motor with an ICE 100 ESC and two 4s 5000 30C Turnigy batteries. The ICE data logger shoes peaks to a little less than 120 amps. I am running about +/- 12 pitch. You peak current will depend on how hard you fly and how much pitch you use.

The ICE 100 is good for 100 continuous and 160 peak so I am well below the limit. I would not use an ESC below 85 amps.



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10-17-2009 02:23 PM
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jlchapman
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BTS,

What size blades are you using? How long are your flights with the 8s?


Also you might as well buy the ICE 100, the weight of the ICE75 and ICE 100 are the same weight minus wires. Dont know if the wires are different size.

JC
10-17-2009 03:59 PM
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wolfey
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E620 motor/lipo combinations

I am flying a second hand E620 with a Neu 1912/1.5y motor.With 2 5s packs of 4100mah and 620mm blades I am easily getting 10 mins flight time F3c style . The ESC is a Jazz 55.
Compared to my EDF jets,the same packs when used in the heli are having a much easier life and really lipos are no longer that expensive.
I have to say there do not seem to be many E620s here in the UK-someone please prove me wrong!
10-22-2009 08:43 PM
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pete05
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Ok so I just turned my e550 into a 600 and I have sort of made up my mind on the motor and esc, Im still unsure on my battery selection, my choice is 8s 4000mah or 5000mah or 10s 3700/4000mah

what sort of flight times can i expect out of these choices, I would be using scorpion motors and CC esc to suit the appropiate voltages.

I did do some light flying with 6s packs today and it seemed ok, nothing was over 43degC, havent checked battery discharge yet.


BTS are you using the bec in the ice 100?

thanks
Pete
10-25-2009 04:12 AM
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jlchapman
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Pete05, I have the ICE100 on my E550 and I dont use the BEC.

The question I have if you use two 5000mah 4s Turnigy with a weight of 537 + 537 which equals 1074 g. Compare that with a 5000mah 6s with a weight of 784g. Doesn't the extra weight kind of negate the effect of higher voltage 8S?

The other question if you go with 8S compared to the 6S, can you get the same runtime with a smaller mah 8S battery?

JC
10-25-2009 05:22 AM
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pete05
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I think the whole idea of going to a higher cell count is to get the current consumtion down and reduce heat, with 2 x 4s 5000mah the available energy is higher than 6s 5000mah, im just wondering how much extra flight time you will get with this setup, that why i was thinking 8s 4000mah, similar weight to 6s with a little extra energy and the higher voltage to reduce the current, im just not sure on the flight times. Im currently with 550mm blades getting 4:30 out of my 6s packs and put back around 3100mah.
10-25-2009 05:45 AM
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pete05
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I think im going to fit an ice 100 to my 6s setup and data log it.

Also i found this info while on another web site:

Here is a bit of info to help you choose, what is the best cell count to go for. I wanted to keep the same flight time and add more power. As you can see, the over all power doesn't rise heaps unless you sacrifice duration.

(Average current over the discharge)
6 cell - 5000mah = 24v x 58amps = 1400 watts - 740g - 4.1mins - 4000mah/80% dis.
8 cell - 4200mah = 31v x 49amps = 1519 watts - 784g - 4.1mins - 3360mah/80% dis.
10 cell - 3700mah= 40v x 43amps = 1720 watts - 906g - 4.2mins- 3000mah/80% dis.
12 cell - 3000mah= 48v x 35amps = 1700 watts - 870g - 4.2mins- 2400mah/80% dis.

The intersting bit is that even though you draw less current with a higher voltage setup to attain the higher power output. The pack you use is of lower capacity and there for its equivalent 'C' rating together with higher impedence for the smaller pack, gives a lower discharge rating.
i.e.
6cell 5000mah x 25c = 125amps = 58amps average = 46% of its rate continuous discharge rating
12cell 3000mah x 25c = 75amps = 35amps average = 46% " "

Something that most people don't take into account when going for a higher cell count is, that the impedence(electro-chemical resistance) increases with every cell that is added to the pack in series.
i.e.
(typical impedence of high quality cells)
5000mah cell will have an impedence of 8milli-Ohms x 6 = 48milli-Ohms total pack resistance
3000mah cell will have an impedence of 11mill-Ohms x 12 = 132milli-Ohms total pack resistance

Things to note:
1) A higher impedence cell will limit a packs current flow ability, compared to a lower impedence cell.
2) The lower the cell impedence, the less power lost in heat within the pack and the more power avaliable to do the work.
3) A higher 'C' rating means a lower impedence.
4) Lower impedence is produced by the cells having a greater plate area and in turn creating less atomic friction.

So in conclusion, the packs still get a hard life lower or higher cell count (on paper).
10-25-2009 05:52 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
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BTS,

What size blades are you using? How long are your flights with the 8s?

600mm blades.

With 8s 5000 30C I get about 6 to 7 minutes depending on how hard I fly. If you really push it could be less. I am flying a flybarless setup so that also gives me a lot more flight time and less weight.

I fly my 8s 5000, ICE 100 helicopter almost every day and it is definitely a sweet setup.

I use the ICE internal BEC and it has plenty of power. It puts out 5 amps continuous with 8s input. I am flying with three, BLS451 and one BLS251 servos, SK360, and Spartan gyro.

Before I upgraded to the ICE I was using a UBEC rated at 3 amps (5 peak) and that was also good so I think that the ICE BEC is way more than you will need for a 620 size helicopter.



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10-25-2009 11:37 AM
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pete05
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Ok so I have ordered the Ice 100a, now I need to sort a motor, I know the 4025 890kv scorpion is a good choice but im looking for other suggestions to get some ideas.


Thanks
Pete
10-31-2009 08:59 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
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The Neu 1912/1Y will work and has lots of power. The only problem is that you have to trim the frame to get it to fit. This is the most efficient solution but it’s expensive.

The Xera 4025-830 is also a good choice. It is suppose to be more powerful than the Scorpion but the one I have seams to have exactly the same power and efficiency as my Scorpion. It is also slightly heavier and a little more expensive than the Scorpion. They are made in China just like the Scorpion.




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10-31-2009 11:08 AM
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jlchapman
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Pete, Here is a Neu motor for sale NIB.

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?p=1097927

JC
10-31-2009 02:33 PM
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