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ElyQ Vision 50 > New Vision owner

Oracus
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Location: West Terre Haute, IN

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I am a new Vision 50 owner, I am also new to nitro helis. So I got afew ?'s as far as equipment. The manual states that I can use a 6 channel radio(I got a DX6i) is this reliable or do I need a DX7? Governor is this needed for non 3d flight? Regulator I don't even know where to start looking at. 1 more what would you recommend as far as sport flying/non-3d budget servos,gyro,and other gear. Also throw in anything else I would need to get flying.

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Kyle

09-30-2009 03:14 PM

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jschenck
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The manual states that I can use a 6 channel radio(I got a DX6i) is this reliable or do I need a DX7?

The DX6i will work just fine. Make sure you use a 'full range' receiver such as the AR6200 or AR7000.

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Governor is this needed for non 3d flight?

NO! It's not even needed for 3D flight. It does make managing the headspeed easier once you are throwing it around. Don't get a gov until you *know* you want it.

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Regulator I don't even know where to start looking at. 1 more what would you recommend as far as sport flying/non-3d budget servos,gyro,and other gear. Also throw in anything else I would need to get flying.

I would recommend the Align 2-1 for sport flying regulator. The on board glow lighter is such a big plus.

For servos this is kind of tricky. Since it's a 120 eCCPM machine you need strong and accurate servos on the swash. There are many good servos at the $60+ range. What is your budget? If you can afford it get digital coreless servos that are known to work well on eCCOM heli's. I run Hitec 6975's on my Vision, the next one I'll build will have Futaba 9252's though I understand they are not the best but I have them. I just put sone Align DS610's on my Trex-700, great servos.
If you are buying servos and gyro/tail servos all new you might consider getting servos that are known to to operate safely at a higher voltage. Then you can run straight A123 (LiFePO4) batteries without any regulator. You'd loose the 2-1 on board glow lighter but you loose a lot of additional equipment which means you loose those points of failure.

Beyond that, you may want to look at replacing the landing gear struts as mine broke pretty easily and put a metal tail fork on. I used Mavrikk parts on both of those.

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..

09-30-2009 04:51 PM

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Oracus
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Thanks for the info. LOL my budget is 1 piece at a time, I got the Heli and now I am building a list of parts and then comparing the components.

09-30-2009 05:31 PM

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Oracus
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Could futaba 3151 be used for cyclic?

10-08-2009 04:29 PM

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oragami
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Location: Florida

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If you run 3151 you will want to run them at 6V for sure. They are not a very strong servo. 6v will help the torque a little, along with the servo speed as well.

A governor is nice if you are not real good with curves. But if you are not going to 3-d it, then dont worry. By the time you are ready to 3-d the heli, you will know how to work a curve, and adding a governor will make it even that much sweeter, actually, A Ton Sweeter.

No matter what you do, please try and buy a good Gyro and tail servo, right off the back. This is something you will buy once, and will help your learning 10 fold. If you have one thing that you have to pick to buy the best of, let it be a Gyro, and Tail Servo.

other than that, just go have some fun, and find all the help you need on this great forum.

Craig

10-08-2009 09:43 PM

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Oracus
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If you run 3151 you will want to run them at 6V for sure. They are not a very strong servo. 6v will help the torque a little, along with the servo speed as well

What the spec's for torque and speed on a "good servo" that I could use that to look for servos. I'm looking at a CY Solid-G for a gyro.

10-09-2009 12:29 AM

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oragami
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That Gyro is excellent from what I hear. There are a few set up tricks to it, but works well, Good choice there.

Servo's JR 8717's, Align 610's, both good on 6v. You can even choose to not use a regulator with these and run them on a 2s lipo. But you still have to run your throttle, gyro, and tail servo at 5v.

Also Futaba BLS 451's are good and strong.

10-09-2009 02:26 AM

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Oracus
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Servos are on hold so I got a TT Redline .53 engine for my heli first. Once I figure out what servos to get(and recommended torque/speed) I can buy them 1 at a time.

10-13-2009 09:58 PM

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FLYERCLD
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Location: Proctor, Arkansas

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The Soli-G is a great. I use the JR8700 servo works real good and no tail blow outs

Charles

10-14-2009 11:59 AM

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TECO
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Location: WARWICK RI, USA

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jschenck what do you with mean run straight A123 (LiFePO4) what a123 means?

10-17-2009 06:20 AM

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dialarotor
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KISS principle, KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

get over it, for a 1st time nitro set-up, the DX6i is perfect. The bird is tail heavy so get a nice 5 cell NiMH or Nicad 6volt battery for it,about 1800-2500ma, no regulator. For the money, the ALIGN GP750 gyro with 620 or new 650 tail servo is great bang for the buck and you don't have to stepdown the voltage like you do on the JR and Futaba tail servos. Then 4 Futaba 3152 digitals will do just fine, JR 8717,s are overkill for a beginner, but the 3 year warranty is nice. Also the Align DS610's or DS620's on cyclic and trottle would be just fine too, digital strong fast and CHEAP. Some HITEC 5625's or even the lowly 635 non-digitals would save even more money and do just fine, fast, strong, metal gears on the 5625's. Keep it simple, go wear it out then play the equipment(mine is bigger than yours) game.

10-17-2009 10:58 AM

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jschenck
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithiu...osphate_battery

http://www.a123systems.com/a123/products

and here is what I bought for my T700, plan on buying more

http://www.b-p-p.com/home.php?cat=65

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..

10-17-2009 02:43 PM

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Oracus
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Thanks for the info. I ended up with some older Hitec hs945mg coreless servos for cyclic and throttle, speed is 0.16@4.8v and 0.12@6v, torque is 122.2oz.in@4.8v and 152.75oz.in@6v. So I think they will do ok for me.

Now on to my problem! While installing my TT Redline 53, when I put top frame on the clutch and bell are keeping the top frame from bolting together(gap between top and bottom frames.

10-18-2009 06:40 PM

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jschenck
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I have a TT53 in my Vision - don't have the washer between the fan hub and the engine.

btw, if you have the equipment I'd suggest checking the clutch gap and the clutch runout. gap was too much on mine and the runout was pretty high. I ended up getting the clutch pretty straight by using a bit of aluminum foil to shim the clutch over in the fan hub.

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..

10-19-2009 01:29 AM

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oragami
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Correct. Dont use a washer between the Block and the hub, it will be much to high.

Thanks

Craig

10-20-2009 01:44 PM

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oragami
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Oracus.

Those servos will work fine, they have plenty of Torque, A little slow, so I would run them on 6v. However, do not use the Aluminum Arms on the servos. I thought those servos had Aluminum Arms? If they do, set them aside and use Plastic Arms. Direct swash attachment is kind of hard on Servos in a crash, and plastic Arms will give before the Main Gear in the Servo.

Hope this helps.

Craig

10-20-2009 01:49 PM

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jschenck
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o get a nice 5 cell NiMH or Nicad 6volt battery for it,about 1800-2500ma, no regulator.

what's the difference between a 5 cell NiMh/NiCD and a 2 cell LiFePO4? I don't run a regulator with mine.

I agree that the 600 series servos from Hitec will work, have years of service with them on Raptors. They run much better at the higher voltage so a 5 cell pack or 2 cell LiFe would be my recommendation with them. LiPo is too high a voltage for me to be comfortable with those servos though.

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..

10-20-2009 02:19 PM

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oragami
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A 5 cell NIMH is going to give you 6v nom. A 2 cell Lipo is going to give you 7.2v nom.

I have run Align Servos on 8v for over 100 flights now, with no hickups. No Regulator. On the Tail Servo and the Throttle, and Gov, you need to regulate your current to 4.8 - 5.2.

Craig

10-20-2009 03:06 PM

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jschenck
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When I ran 5 cell NiMh I would consider 6V the recharge voltage. 2 cell A123 is almost the exact same voltage as 5 cell NiCd/NiMh but it holds the voltage through the discharge cycle even under load plus you get a lot more capacity for the same weight - bonus charge them as fast as your charger can pound the electrons into them

EDIT- here's a writeup from one of the manufactures

http://media.hyperion.hk/dn/fg3radio/

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..

10-20-2009 03:37 PM

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Correct. Dont use a washer between the Block and the hub, it will be much to high. Thanks Craig

Thanks I found the problem, I installed the drive gear that's on top of the clutch bell upside down LOL.

10-20-2009 04:33 PM

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