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levin91e
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Can someone please measure the mainshaft length of their 620se? The shaft that I received in my kit is 20cm long. This is the same length of the main shaft in my swift 16 with triple bearing. According to this link the shaft is supposed to be longer.

http://www.centuryheli.com/products...8¤tid=409

The reason I discovered this is because after finishing assembly of my kit I am unable to get the proper pitch settings, with out having to start modifying the head. I am not going to modify a head that was engineered to get at least 20 degrees of absolute pitch right out of the box.


Thanks for the help everyone.
09-30-2009 01:06 AM
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Blade_Master1
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are you sure the shaft isn't upside down

I did that

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09-30-2009 03:07 AM
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levin91e
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definitely not upside down, thanks though
09-30-2009 04:35 AM
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HarveyR
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Hi,

On mine, it can't be upside down because if it is the head can't bolt on.

Pleased to hear this, as I suspected the same issue (I mentionned this somewhere in my build thread) but never managed to conclude. I'll measure mine this evening and tell you, it will be a little approximate as I don't want to take it out now the whole thing is assembled, adjusted and flying really well

On mine, I suspected this because I couldn't achieve descent pitch range, all the head push rods seemed to long and the guide pins were too long too so I wondered if it wasn't the shaft that was in fact too short (I'd say about 1cm too short, if it had been 1cm longer I would have been fine I think).

For now I've used some push rods from my HawkSE and grinded the guide pins. At the end, I have a good setup : -12 +12 degrees, with still some room for cyclic movement at the extremes. It flies really well and it has plenty of pitch range. But it was a fight to achieve.

But if it turns out the main axl is too short, I'll contact Century again to try to get the right one (and also the guide). That way, after first crash, I'll rebuild it back "stock". Because as is, if my axl is too short, maybe I risk a boom strike.

I don't think there are many 620SE around, as it's hard to get peoples feedback on building/using it (most people have 550 or 16).
09-30-2009 10:06 AM
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imnxtc
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Both the CNE508SL (triple bearing mainshaft used on my Swift 550SE) and the CNE608 mainshaft for my 620SE, that I have in parts bags hanging on the wall, are the same 20cm in length.
09-30-2009 05:29 PM
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levin91e
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Both the CNE508SL (triple bearing mainshaft used on my Swift 550SE) and the CNE608 mainshaft for my 620SE, that I have in parts bags hanging on the wall, are the same 20cm in length.

Thanks IMNXTC. However this brings up more questions, why two seperate part numbers, and two different prices. Also if you measure the physical dimensions with the shafts installed in both a 550 and then 620 you will come to the conclusion that the 550 has about 5mm of extra mast height measured from the upper bearing block to the top of the shaft. It looks to me like something was changed, considering the control rod lengths they give you for the 620se are way off, also the phasing pins would need to be cut down, and the shaft collar needs to be of a lower profile, for it to work.

If I am wrong about this someone show me how I am wrong. I think it is really bad to be selling a kit with a shaft that is to short, and control rod lengths that are way off. The control rod lengths should at least put you in the ballpark.

I think us 620se owners are getting the shaft here, pardon the pun. If a change to the shaft length was made it should be atleast documented in a revision to the manual.
09-30-2009 06:14 PM
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HarveyR
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I confirm my shaft is approx 20cm (I didn't take it out, so I could be a few mm wrong, but not much).

I agree that something seems wrong with the 620SE kit. Exacly as you said, to get -/+ 12 degrees (in fact I get more like -14 and +13):

- I had to cut around 8 or 9mm off the pins (not 2mm like people with the 550 or the 16), and it's still well engaged at minmum swashplate position (i.e. with my low profile clamp)

- I use the low profile clamp (the stock one is too high)

- All rods in the head are too long (of about 1 cm, like the pins which are 8mm too long, it matches) so I used the equivalent Hawk ones which went just fine (you'll overscrew and break the kit's ones trying to get them short enough)

I asked the same question for someone to show me how to get it right with the kit stock stuff, but no answer. I definitely don't think there are many 620SE owners around (on the forums at least).

My guess is that the mast was meant to be 21cm. However, with the above adaptations, it works great, and I've checked and can't imagine getting a boom strike. It's probably even better because it reduces the vertical inertia
09-30-2009 07:03 PM
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HarveyR
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Oh... one last thing... as note in Blade_Masters build thread, there's no chance to get the CoG right without using an RX battery (making the provided BEC useless). It is tail heavy, even with the 5000mAH 6S pushed full forwards.

However, I haven't found it causes mush problem while flying.
09-30-2009 07:49 PM
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imnxtc
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there's no chance to get the CoG right without using an RX battery (making the provided BEC useless). It is tail heavy, even with the 5000mAH 6S pushed full forwards.

That could be because it is really designed for use with 8S & 10S packs.
10-01-2009 01:11 AM
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HarveyR
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I'd be curious to see how you're supposed to fit an 8s or 10s in it without going to the back, hence not helping for the CoG.
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