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e-E-Flite Blade MSR CP CX MCX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro Medusa out of business?? What about our tail motors???
 
 
Mitchilito
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I'll say it one more time, boys: slap an outrunner back there. It works GREAT and weighs about half what a boat-anchor Feiago/medusa weighs.

Just be sure you use a CC TB-9 to control it. Just in case you wanted to know what the BADDEST CP that has ever lived looks like:



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10-28-2009 04:28 PM
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BOB WHO?
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Hey Mitch I was waiting for you to jump in, what took you so long? You're the only guy who has got the outrunner tail dialed in. Do you have any disciples yet? I know it works, I've seen your vids. For some reason I love the sound of that SCREAMING inrunner tail motor, can't get enough of it so I'm looking for the Medusa replacement/equivalent.
10-29-2009 05:14 AM
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Mitchilito
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Looks like I'm the only one interested in outrunner tails, Bob, despite all the hot air I blow around otherwise!~!

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10-30-2009 04:50 PM
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BOB WHO?
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I'd like to see it fly. In the meantime I ordered a Hyperion tail motor; I'll give it a test.
11-02-2009 03:06 AM
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itsjojo
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The last few days I tried to get my cp pro back in the air. I tried the stock eflite tail rotor and hub and as I thought, I bent my Medusa tail shaft on an impact. I think I am going to order that Hyperion 5300kv tail motor. I wanted to try a faster motor to see what the result will be.
What do you guys think?
jojo

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11-02-2009 08:38 AM
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itsjojo
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Mitchilito
I checked out your outrunner and it is impressive. Can you give me any links to that version you show it your pics. I think I'd like to try one...
Jojo

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11-02-2009 08:39 AM
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Gyronut
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I've been wanting to make the switch as well...

Please fill us in..

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11-02-2009 09:50 AM
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BOB WHO?
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Hey Mitch
Pssssst Mitch wake up! You have some potential disciples at your door.

Jojo
I have always heard that the 4000kv was the correct choice for a tail motor whether it was Medusa, Feigao, or others. I can't tell you why this advice was given but I always got the 4000 and was happy. I would be curious to hear about the 5300kv motor on the tail though I would be reluctant to buy one without a report from an experienced builder.
11-02-2009 10:52 AM
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itsjojo
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I hear what your saying. That's why I want to try the 5300kv. Who knows what will happens. Maybe we'd be on to something new. I'll let you know...
jojo

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11-02-2009 11:39 AM
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BOB WHO?
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Ok Jojo I'll report on the 4000kv (already ordered) and we'll wait to hear about the 5300kv from you. Good idea.
11-02-2009 05:00 PM
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Mitchilito
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Hobby City

Hey guys, I got all my tail motors at Hobby King (aka Hobby City). Just be sure to get something in the 10 to 12 gram weight range with a KV of 2800 on up. My favorite one, and the one you see on my machine now is the Turnigy "1606:"

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...or_16-06_3000kv


Remember: these little motors spin a bigger prop than the little inrunners. . . . .

I can't say it enough: be sure to use a T-bird 9 or you're asking for MAJOR headaches.

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11-02-2009 07:11 PM
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itsjojo
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Mitch,
How'd you mount that sucker?

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11-03-2009 01:44 AM
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Mitchilito
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I machined a special mount. The motor's tube fits into the aluminum ring and is secured with a setscrew. Then you can just see a 4-40 screw on the bottom of the stock housing holding the aluminum ring in. As you can see I set it up to push itself together in operation.



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11-03-2009 12:56 PM
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itsjojo
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I have no idea how I'll make that motor fit. I have not machining abilities. What is the diameter of the shaft. I've been looking for props for that motor...
Thanks
Jojo

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11-04-2009 09:00 AM
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Mitchilito
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Don't need a machine shop, Jojo. I've mounted several different outrunners on CP tails without machining anything. You could use a wood spacer or even use a different kind of motor. One way or the other you'd be able to get it mounted up.

Heli pilots/mechanics are a very resourceful bunch. . . . .

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11-04-2009 02:09 PM
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BOB WHO?
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I received the Hyperion 4000kv tail motor and installed it on a BCPP where I have previously been running a BL Feigao tail motor. The Feigao is an adequate motor for the tail but not a screamer like the Medusa. Before I installed the Hyperion I tested the Feigao in a crude bench test where I just fired up the motor and felt the blast of wind generated from the prop. Then I installed the Hyperion and did the same test, purely subjective and not scientific. My first impression was that this new motor is a better product than the Feigao and develops more power. I did not fly it yet as it is dark outside; the fly test will have to wait until tomorrow. With a prop pressed on a Medusa motor, when the prop is turned by hand you can feel the strong magnets resisting as the prop kinda clicks as it turns. Neither the Hyperion nor Feigao feel ratchet-like as the prop is turned by hand, they just turn freely almost as if the magnets are weak. The Hyperion feels very strong when a right rudder command is given and the motor spools up. We'll see how it feels tomorrow when I fly it. So far this Hyperion is impressive.
11-06-2009 06:02 AM
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itsjojo
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Bob, thanks for the report. In terms of the ratchety action, I notice my medusa tail motor does have this ratchety action when the prop is turned by hand. This being caused by the magnets. How does this compare to the Medusa? If you have one? I am anxiously awaiting your results.

I have ordered the Hyperion 53000kv to test out. As for no other reason than to test something new. I figured I'd be the Ginny pig. Here. My thought is that the faster kv motor may spool up faster yielding more response. I could be way wrong here. Who knows how it will feel once I fly it.

My history with the CPPro has been mostly unsuccessful. I have tried the brushed DD with separates and the Medusa DD with CC9. I also have the Australian belt mod, which had its bad problems too. As far as the double brushless goes, I have never had the success as most of you other guys here. I was able to fly it but the tail did not hold the way Micro-Maniacs did. I have to admit that I gave up on it too early. I keep pulling it back out and playing with it when I see the RR guys having more success with it. I am inspired a lot by Mitchilito's out runner.. I think I can swing a larger prop on the outtunner which i think will make it handle better. I watched Brildem386's videos and got back in the mood again. That's why I felt ticked when Medusa closed down. Maybe this is a good thing, and that we try other motors.


Mitchilito - Thanks for the reply. I will order that outrunner and test it out. Have you measured the output shaft diameter on that outrunner. I have read it states 1.5mm but is 2mm when measured? I am wanting to look up available props for it. What length prop do you run. Any experience with larger or shorter props?

Jojo

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11-06-2009 07:37 AM
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Mitchilito
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Jojo, right now my Turnegy outrunner has the stock prop adapter on it that comes on the Pro2 brushed motor - whatever size that is. And I'm running a GWS paddle blade prop, either a 4x2 or 4x3. I'll have to look.

I'll say this about my tail setup: it works great and holds very well. The only bad thing I will say about it is that it's a little "nervous" i.e. a little twitchy in general. I'm pertty much convinced this is just a motor driven tail characteristic that can't be avoided.

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11-06-2009 01:27 PM
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BOB WHO?
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Yes Mitch my tails that hold very well on four (4) BCPPs also are kinda twitchy or maybe better described having a minor wag. This is because my gain is turned up to the point where the tail doesn't blow out. I'll give in to a very little bit of wag so that the tail doesn't piro more than 1/8 of a turn on any hard maneuver.

Jojo I did test the new Hyperion 4000 today in my back yard with some hard collective moves and this motor is really good. Maybe just a small percentage less powerful than the proven Medusa but definitely good enough for my flying style. The magnets cannot be felt in the Hyperion or Feigao like they can be felt in the Medusa but it does not seem to matter. These three motors stack up in this order for me: #1 Medusa - #2 Hyperion 4000, a very close second- #3 Feigao a bl tail motor that works but is not in the same class as the other two. Micro, Buildem, and dieselracer all have the same gyro; a Futaba GY401. Mitch and I also have that gyro on our models. That gyro and the TB9 tail esc are very important components to the success of our tails holding I think. Buildem is the current 'Guru' with regard to building BCPPs. Mitch and I built our 'razorblades' (nicknamed after the Neu Motors Razor motor) at the same time. Manuel Campos aka Buildem & his brother Jose Campos aka dieselracer helped us create our little masterpieces. Mitch went his way with the outrunner tail and I went the conventional way with the inrunner. Both Mitch's and my blades are excellent small flyers and the tails HOLD on both of them though a slightly different design. We'll help you if you need suggestions on how to get the tail to be rock solid. Our blades are capable of flips, rolls, inverted, and hard collective moves without the tails blowing out. The belt mod is too heavy IMO. I'm curious about the Hyperion 5300 but without a proven gyro like the gy401 how can you tell what's going on?
11-07-2009 02:36 AM
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itsjojo
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Great post BobWho?

You bring good news about the Hyp4000. I should be getting my Hyp5300kv very soon and I'll get it in and let you know. I have been tinkering with the cp pro since early 2007?ish. I have kept up on all the Cp pro threads. I kinda chime in when something new comes along and I want to try it out. I have bought lots of cpJunk as I call it from retailers on ebay. I must have around 8-10 stock frames in various crashed conditions to pull parts from. I learned on the CPP so am extremely partial to the design.
It will be interesting to see the comparison from the Hyp4000 to the Hyp5300 since I do have the current equipment on my pro that ou guys use. TB9, Futaba 401, cc25main, stock balsa blades And all original head.Only difference is I am using a Park 400main, I switch from stock paddles to hornet paddles when stability issues suit me.

I have had sucess with the tail to the extent of 30 degree tail swings on collective punches. It's for this reason that I indicated I have not been as lucky as all you guys on here. when I use the larger 4" prop with the hub I have way more tail control. Enough to make me happy. As you know with the hub I have bent 3 Medusa shafts in crashes. I always reverted back to the orange 3" push on tail prop which seem to not have the control as the 4". I'm not sure the prop numbers at the moment. I can get pics or numbers if your curious.
The latest videos by Buildem386 really showed me that the tail control on this bird is getting ironed out. I am in shock at the control of the tail in sideways tic-tocs in Buildems videos. I Saw that and called my friend and told him I'm gonna work on the CP again.

I did notice lately a mistake on my 401 mounting. I am using very thin foam tape to attach it to the frame. I am going to remount it with a real gyro foam pad. I am very aware of excess vib issues with the 401. Perhaps this was a contributing factor to my problems.

Lastly I am going to order the out-runner Mitchilito uses to try to swing a slightly larger prop? Just a test? I am curious to see if I like that too.

Thanks for your offer of help to assist me. That's quite nice. I'll do what I can to get her tuned in too.
Is is me or does it seem like interest to this heli is falling off the plannet? Not too much buzz on the Ryder site on the CPP any more. I find just the diehards on here still working with it.
Jojo

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