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ch-47c
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Anyone use this engine in a Cricket? Any problems?

Thanks
09-28-2009 09:56 AM
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vrhc
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You mean apart from being seriously overpowered???????

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09-28-2009 12:08 PM
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marcw
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From our experience with the Viper, the modern .37 should be a direct bolt-in replacement for the old .25/.28. The .37's are less prone to seizing from overheating, and you dont have to run them quite as hard as the .28's. That being said, the Viper swung bigger blades than the cricket, and at a higher headspeed. You should be fine with a .28 in a Cricket if set up and tuned correctly. However, if you have a .37 laying around, like vrhc says, it will be overpowered, but should work fine...it will chug around at a quarter to half throttle or so, and you will probably never have to go past 3/4 throttle.
09-28-2009 03:35 PM
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ch-47c
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I saw in an old Cricket bulletin several acceptable time period correct engines. One was a K&B 40 which I'm sure doesn't have the power of an OS 37. I had 3 OS 32 until recently, but they are gone. I guess I need to start looking at rebuilding my OS 28 if I am to get it like the original. I was hoping for a drop-in change and some adjustments.

While on the subject of Crickets. Are the materials used for the skids, skid struts, and angle aluminium to hold the radio tray to the main frame, the same grade as available at OHS, Lowe's, Home Depot? In other words they aren't a special hardness or corrosion resistance out of the ordinary are they?

Thanks guys.

ps...that Viper was really ahead of its time.
09-28-2009 08:53 PM
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marcw
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Not sure what they are selling at the home improvement stores, but the material specified for the Cricket’s cross struts was .125 x .50 x 11.88 6061-T6 aluminum bar, and .375 OD x .032 wall 6060-T6 aluminum tubing for the skids. The angle pieces don’t have a specific grade of aluminum specified.


On the topic of “acceptable time period correct” engines for the Cricket, there seems to be some somewhat contradictory period literature out there.

The Cricket instruction manual only talks about .25's and .28's

The very first Cricket Customer Bulletin (Jan, 1981) does indeed list a “K&B 40 Standard” as a “tested” engine for the Cricket.

But then fast forward to Cricket Bulletin # 2, which lists all of the previously tested engines except the “K&B 40 Standard” !

By Cricket Bulletin # 4 (May, 1981), GMP was only carrying the OS .25 FSR and Super Tiger X25, with possible plans to also carry the K&B .35 soon.

Cricket Bulletin # 6 then says:

We have tested several more engines with "Cricket", and in particular, the new “K&B 0.35 ABC” engine is proving to be a real powerhouse...naturally, of course, the old faithful “OS 0.25 MAX FSR” still does an excellent job, as do many of the other 0.15-0.25 “car” engines available today. The new 0.25 British “Irvine” engine also seems to be a great performer and they also have a 0.30 in a 0.40 case. Wish it was a 0.30 in a 0.25 case!


Then, bulletin # 6 goes on to talk about the Hughes 300, which is based on the Cricket:

since the "Hughes” is heavier, don't expect it to fly well at 5,000 with a 0.25 engine. Fit it with a 0.40 and it should do fine.


So, it seems as though a .40 was not a preferred choice by GMP at least for the Cricket, but by the final comment in that first quoted paragraph from bulletin 6, I bet John would have been really happy with a modern OS .32 or .37 in a Cricket, since those engines are the same “case” size as the old OS .28’s.

Bottom line, while not "time period correct", that OS .37 you have should be considered a suitable modern replacement for the old .28 and be just fine for your Cricket. It was much more reliable running in the Viper with the enclosed fuselage and cooling fan assembly than the original .28, so I think you will be more than happy with it on your Cricket.
09-28-2009 09:33 PM
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gorhambirds
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Guys,

Back in the 80's, I met a guy who moved here (Chicago) from Albuquerque New Mexico. Man, I hope I spelled that correctly!
Anyhow, the altitude is so high there and the air so thin, according to him, anything less than a 40 wouldn't fly the machine. In all of my years in the hobby shop business, I'd never seen one with anything larger than a .28, which by the way, worked perfectly. Believe it or not, I successfully flew a Cricket on an Enya .19! Nothing fancy, just hovering, but it flew.

Steve Z

Regarding some of the bulletins, GMP once mentioned the Irvine .30. They said it was a.30 in a .40 case, but they'd wished it was a .40 in a .30 case. That's about what you have with the OS .37!

Keep 'em whirling!
09-28-2009 10:16 PM
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v22chap
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The hughes that I got had a Fox .40 in it and the guy said it needed it . I put in a .32 that I had laying around ... and it flys great .I would say go with the .37 "Tim Taylor " can't always be wrong And it is easier to tune down a throttle curve than wish you could push it up

Larry C ----------Bergen R/C helicopters
09-28-2009 10:44 PM
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ch-47c
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Thanks for the info guys. I have an OS .28, but it needs a rebuild after sitting around for 20+ yrs. I figured it would be easier to just drop a new and reliable OS.37 in and detune the throttle curve by flattening the 4th and 5th point.
09-29-2009 01:42 AM
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marcw
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I would not even bother flattening out the top of the throttle curve. With an FP heli like the cricket, it’s nice to be able to have the extra power to help get out of trouble should you find yourself descending too fast because of the delay in spooling up the head.... it can’t hurt to have the extra power available to you, even if you hardly ever use it!
09-30-2009 07:10 PM
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ch-47c
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I really don't have a problem of delayed spooling in a descent with fixed-pitch after a GMP rep showed me a technique that works really well. I think I'll just set it up like a .28/.32 and adjust the throttle curve as necessary like you guys suggest.
Thanks guys.
10-01-2009 10:26 PM
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ch-47c
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I finally got my second Cricket today and it is in better shape than I thought. Man did I luck out for $200 on eBay. I've been searching for over a year and finally got 2 decent examples. Not bragging, but excited I can get one and join the club. It has all its documentation. The only bad part is the canopy and it is actually USABLE UGLY with a hole at the tip of its nose. The OS .28F H turns over, but I can't tell if the bearings are clogged up with vanish. There is a little vanish on the muffler. The owner tried to fly it 20+ yrs ago, never crashed it but gave up. This should be an easily restored Cricket.

The second needs a few missing or damaged parts. Mostly a crash kit. Got to figure out what it needs next week and order up.

I may go to IRCHA next year and bring them both if they have a Cricket or fixed-pitch event.
10-03-2009 07:30 AM
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v22chap
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CH ... welcome to the cricket club ,,,, sounds like a good find .... and oh there will be crickets flying at IRCHA next yr for sure !!!! along with all sorts of other vintage stuff ... it has really took to life and everyone ,,,even the youngins enjoy seeing the oldies fly .

Larry C ----------Bergen R/C helicopters
10-03-2009 12:39 PM
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