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Popadel
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Location: Dubai

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I have both. I originally learnt how to fly on G4 and then upgraded to 4.5. one day my buddy tells me to try Phoenix. I was shocked how well this works. Its much better to learn on and it defiantly will get you better hand eye coordination and response, but I feel the heli on Phoenix reacts as though it were flybarless and needs absolute input from the user to keep it alive. On RF the heli does what it does naturally as influenced by gravity (me thinks) and tries to level out post a command.

Anyway, either will do the job, but for serious 3D Phonenix is easier to learn on….how you translate that into real world 3D depends on your wallet and courage.
10-12-2009 05:34 PM
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wc_wickedclown
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Location: long beach calif /team OCHC (LB)

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resolution

Popadel what resolution do you play you sim ? go into sim settings video set it to 1280 by 768 you will be shocked if your display adapter can handle it.
good luck

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10-12-2009 05:58 PM
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MrRPM
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Location: Lancaster, OH - USA

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Yep, I am leaning to G5 if I can upgrade from 3.5 cheaply. I agree, from all the pics, I think realflight has slightly better aircraft looks; phoenix looks a bit cartoony/sketch-like. Also it is a pet peeve that the rotor blades fade out but you can see the blade bolts... that doesn't happen in real life.

I don't need the best physics per se, but use a sim to learn new, difficult 3D moves and to just have fun. My laptop is new and believe it will handle the highest display res for my screen... hopefully get 70+ fps with all settings on high.. will see.

My question was about multiplayer. I will use DSL. Which of these two sims will have worst lag or best online experience?

Caleb W.
10-12-2009 07:30 PM
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Popadel
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Location: Dubai

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Don’t get me wrong, its not quality im referring to but the physics engine of the sim. I use a Samsung HD TV - 32 inch LDC as my monitor and a top end PC for very clear and easy learning of new tricks. Phoenix is set to 1380 X 796 with antialiasing and VS. Its photo-picture perfect…and I also feel like I need to cut the grass its so real. G4,5 its way more resource intensive and demanding and the quality is less impressive using the same settings, however G4,5 offers 2 kinds of airfields (picture setting and artificial image) the later being a better choice for high end PC’s where you can create your own field.

Unfortunately regardless of software power increase the G4,5 helies bog under hard 3D which is not always true to life. Using unrealistic settings affect torque etc so makes it worse. My own helies which many can attest to who have the same (Trex 450 Pro with 2221- 6 Scorpion , Kasama Srimok .90 and Trex ESP 600 with a 560 - 4035 Scorpion on 12S in the right hands can go all day with no bog) Phoenix is closer to real life and will not bog on the larger helies.

I play them back to back for the brain to learn different configurations. I also spend 1 - 3 hours per day on this as im based in Dubai for 18 mth so nothing to do here but fly sim or the real deal. I use my X9030 and at times the plastic controller from G4 as this also shocks the brain into learning the variations. For those new to flying try NOT to learn on the plastic controller if you serious about flying 3D. It will rob you of the finer resolution and you will go through some pain when you finally lift off, rather plug your own controller in and set up the curves on that.

Personally id rather have both as both have good points and bad points, however knowing what I know now, for a new person who wants to get in the air fast and progress beyond the “driving miss Daisy” flying – I would use Phoenix.

My novice 2c worth.
Enjoy!
10-13-2009 08:00 AM
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wc_wickedclown
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great explanation .

just what i and we needed to here thank you our work is done
and i have then both aswell and guess ill continue to use them both
since they both have good and bad .

and realflight was lagless and wonderful online

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10-13-2009 08:10 AM
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Popadel
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Location: Dubai

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Both seem fine on line and I have a 512Kb line using ADSL and I host my own sessions. When I struggled to learn a new trick I always had a smarter better pilot join me and by watching his stick movements in real time on the same tricks (just bring up the controller on the screen and make sure he has not disabled stick movements) I got to understand where I went wrong and what I needed to do. Other than that online flying has no other learning benefits – its just a social to show off or ….in some cases for others to make trouble.
10-13-2009 08:11 AM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

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hi guys I finally got the usb adapter cable to let me connect my rds 8000 to my computer. so I wanted to know if some of you guys could tell me how to set it up. I calibrated the controller in clearview but it won't work so what do I have to do to get it to work with the clearview simulator? thanks in advance.

esky belt cp 450, just built exi 450 LE
10-13-2009 07:26 PM
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thenewguy
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Location: Corvallis, Oregon Where there is liquid sunshine!

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If you feel the motors are bogging to much you can change the torque rating of the motors in Realflight. It is very easy to do.

Open the helicopter in the editor, turn the advanced settings option on. This is under options in the editor.

Airframe/Fuselage/Heli mechanics, scroll down you will see Torque from engine modification. Turn this up in small amounts until you feel the motor bogs as you would expect.

Also another hint for helis in Realflight. Deleting the tail fins will help the tails, when it comes to holding in a turn or maneuver.

Everything in Realflight can be adjusted.

Chris
10-13-2009 07:58 PM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

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ok back to my previous question can anybody here help me setup my rds 8000 radio to work with the clearview simulator. I got the usb adapter cable in the mail today but I can't seem to get it to work with my simulator program

esky belt cp 450, just built exi 450 LE
10-14-2009 03:08 AM
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wc_wickedclown
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with you controller plugged in an on, then go to control panel, game device or game controls, is your controller in the list ?

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10-14-2009 03:16 AM
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iceman320
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all it says on the list is ppm controller. and windows won't calibrate it right, it will calibrate the throttle stick up and down and left and right. but after that i'm screwed. guess I better start saving up to buy phoenix or the real flight sim like I should have done in the first place. cause clearview and this usb cable that I bought sucks and doesn't work like it should anyway all it has been is money wasted for nothing.

esky belt cp 450, just built exi 450 LE
10-14-2009 03:54 AM
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wc_wickedclown
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my realflight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm2npMc-Utk

founder of team LBH (LB) long beach helimen
10-14-2009 08:56 AM
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iceman320
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this sucks cause I was hoping to be able to use the tx that I use when I hover the heli.

esky belt cp 450, just built exi 450 LE
10-14-2009 03:37 PM
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conntaxman
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Location: wtn ct usa

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usb

iceman ,you should call the company where you bought the cable and tell them that it dosen't work,and see if you can get your money back.
Good luck
10-14-2009 03:49 PM
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wc_wickedclown
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ok ppm thats you controller its working properly and you cant calibrate usb i think your fine.

now you need to g ointo the sims settings and look for controllers
and switch it off keyboard then you might have to go to control mapping and reverse some controls .

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10-14-2009 04:04 PM
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floop
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Location: Southern, NJ

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I would give real flight a run. The new versions of Phoenix are weird.

IT's what I do.
10-15-2009 02:05 AM
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MrRPM
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Can you expand... what's wierd, what's changed. I heard some prefer not to get the latest versions. Did the physics change for the worst, like feeling more mushy or bouncy, etc?

Caleb W.
10-15-2009 01:43 PM
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floop
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Location: Southern, NJ

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See these threads
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t547100p1/
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t522091p10/

The physics in version 2.5s haven't been fixed as of yet. It doesn't fly like the real thing or even close to as well as 2.0n.

Inverted auto's off.
Collective pop off
cyclic feels like everything is flybarless.

The T-rex 700N flies like a 500 Electric Flybarless.

I'm frustrated with Phoenix

IT's what I do.
10-15-2009 01:51 PM
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snipealot
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Location: Baltimore,MD-USA

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I started with RF 4.5 and later went with Phoenix 2.0 because everyone said how great it was, but IMO the physics in RF are more realistic, but I like the environments and heli selections of Phoenix.
10-15-2009 04:25 PM
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jongurley
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Location: North Carolina

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I think I will end up going with G5,,,,

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11-12-2009 10:55 PM
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