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Would you buy a Henseleit again if you could start over?

titillater

Senior Heliman

Duncan B.C

Just wondering what owners thought after buying one,putting it together and flying it ,said to themselves, was it "Oh yeah this is the one" or "hmm I don't know what all the fuss was about" I've always wanted one and have been thinking about getting one in spring but are they as good as I think they are?I know the 3DMP is very agile and is high quality but can those of you that own other helis let me know what your thoughts are.So thats the question,would you do it again?I noticed this forum was a little slow lately so I thought I'd help find something for you guys to do thanks Geoff

09-14-2009 Over year old.
Ronald Thomas

rrMaster

Gainesville, Fl, USA

I had that same question and then.....

Gonna be FBL and awesome!!!

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

09-14-2009 Over year old.
SalsettiA

Heliman

Develier - Switzerland

Hello,

All Henseleit’s models are splendid piece of mechanics. They can be on one hand incredible rockets with trajectories like on rails, very stables and on the other hand an agile helicopter allowing heavy 3d thanks to their surprising agility.
I had a Three Dee NT. It's mechanical engineering was simple, a pleasure to build with no play, even after many flights. But simple mechanical engineering obliges also to dismantle the entire helicopter in case of crash. I had a lot of pleasure to fly this helicopter. I've done a lot of progress in my skills too. Only for those feelings, it is worth the experience at least once, even if the models are expensive.
I had only one deception: the canopy was too symmetric, unpainted and expensive. I'm a bad artist, so I had to pay somebody to have a finished canopy. I was also not very handy, then after several crashes, my canopy had double in thickness, making it heavy and rigid. At the end, it was not so good looking anymore. Because of that, for me, it has been a one time experience; I'm back to more ordinary models (general public).
Anyway, it has been an interesting experience without forgetting that the rare TDs at the meetings make always famous ;-)

Have a nice day



Alex S.

09-14-2009 Over year old.
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helinutz

Veteran

Bournemouth, Dorset, UK

Definitely.
Gonna get me a rigid next year hopefully.
Started off with a 3DNT that was an awesome bit of engineering. Beautifull to look at, smooth and accurate in flight.
Also maintenace was virtually non existant.
I then bought a 3DMP that introduced me to electric heli's. Same quality and flight charactariastics as its nitro bigger brother (sister?). Sold the NT as I went totally electric.
Kept the MP for 3 years before selling on a whim and regretting ever since.
I think an MP with full size servo conversion and a flybarless head would be the ultimate 50 size at the moment.
A very close second is Mikado stuff. More quality German kit with low maintenance.

>>>>>I'm so broke, I cant even pay attention!<<<<<

09-14-2009 Over year old.
titillater

Senior Heliman

Duncan B.C

I was thinking of a 90 size myself as I'm not the biggest fan of 4 minute flights and expensive batteries,but it sounds like you guys like them alot.Does anyone know what the story is with Jan recommending a header and tuned pipe?I thought tuned pipes were a PITA.

09-15-2009 Over year old.
Fredoc

Heliman

Metz - France

Hi,

the same for me, I fly an MP-XL-V91, an NT and I am about to restore an original bleu Three Dee and a Rocket.

It's just sad that we cannot buy the Rigid with a nitro engine.

Fred.
http://fredoc.blog4ever.com/blog/lesphotos-74164-1948327255.html

09-15-2009 Over year old.
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Bonkers

Senior Heliman

New York

I own a couple of 3D-NTs. I have yet to fly them. (Just haven't gotten around to getting them up in the air).

The build is definitely different. Jan Henseleit clearly designed the heli from scratch rather than copying what others had done.

While the design is a simple, I will say that it is a royal pain in the ass to build and (presumably) maintain. Clearly, Jan Henseleit did not have ease of maintenance in mind when he designed the heli. Practically nothing on the heli is "modular" (i.e. where you can remove it without having to disassemble a lot of things around it). Everything is intimately assembled ontop of the things assembled before it. This makes for a very pretty, light, and efficient machine, but also produces a product that is difficult to maintain. Allow me to explain. Take a look at this photo for reference:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/.../3/DSC00223.jpg

Let us say you need to replace the flybar. You cannot simply unscrew the collars that hold the flybar in place and slide the flybar out the way you can in virtually every other heli. You have to remove the entire damn rotor head from the main shaft!! Why? Because the pitch inputs to the flybar (from the swash plate) are delivered to the flybar at its centerpoint inside the rotor head via a ring that has two pillow balls attached to it at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock. The grub screw holding this ring tight against the flybar is tightnened against the underside of the flybar. There is no way to access this grub screw without removing the whole rotor head. On every other heli produced by Japanese and American companies, flybar pitch inputs are delivered by L-shaped arms that are fastened to the flybar outside of the collars that hold the flybar in place, and thus, are easily accessed.

Or, let us say that you need to replace a fuel line from the carburetor to the fuel tank. Sounds like an easy task, right? Not on the 3D-NT. The nipples for the fuel line on the fuel tank are inaccessible to your fingers. They are sunken deep into the chassis where you cannot reach them readily with your fingers. You can pull the fuel line out easily, but there's no way to push it all the way onto the ribbed nipples. To replace the fuel line, you have to remove the fuel tank. But, the fuel tank is boxed-in by the engine in front of it, the landing gear mounts below it, the main gear and servos above it, and the main shaft behind it. There is no way to remove the tank without removing one of those obstructions. Which is the easiest to remove? I went with the engine. Although I was tempted to use a hemostat to put the new fuel line onto the nipple, I didn't want to worry about having a damaged fuel line on the heli.

Anyway, the heli is a really nice one. But if you fly it and crash it, I'd imagine you are going to spend a hell of a lot of time just on the disassembly and re-assembly process to get it back up in the air.

Still though, I do intend on flying them....eventually.

09-21-2009 Over year old.
titillater

Senior Heliman

Duncan B.C

I am looking at the newest version MPV XL which looks quite different,so hopefully not so much of a pain to work on.

09-30-2009 Over year old.
cudaboy_71

Elite Veteran

sacramento, ca, u.s.

as a new henseleit owner i can tell you i love this machine. i purchased mine used mostly pre-built but unflown. but, it was a pleasure to tear down and reassemble.

there has been a bit of a learning curve with the reverse-rotating motor; tuning a zero-nitro engine; and mixing zero-nitro fuel. all part of the fun for me.

the ONLY drawback is parts availability. it truely sucks having to wait weeks when down with a $2 part. i've already had to make 3 overseas orders (minimum $40 with wire-transfer costs and shipping of even a $.50 part from henseleit directly--slightly cheaper through a vendor). and, that was before i ever got off the ground.

now due to an incident in the pits i'm down with an unavailable part. so, i get to wait a couple of weeks for Mr. Henseleit to manufacture the out of stock part for me.

don't get me wrong. but, as the owner of a hobby shop with parts availability usually INSTANT, this is a little tough to get used to.

but, after all that i WOULD do it again. great flying machine when i can keep it in the air.

if it ain't broke, break it.

10-30-2009 Over year old.
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seijoscha

Heliman

hanstedt niedersachsen in Germany

Maybe I am biased as a German a little bit

We have here in Germany 3-4 really electronics helicopter in 90 classes.
Henseleit, Plöchinger, Minicopter and the Sape9.0 also soon comes.
In Germany more electronics Helicopter becomes flown than how in the USA.
With you Nitro Heli are the number 1!
But if one has changed sometimes from Trex, raptor or another Heli to one of those one wants nothing else more aviation.
The quality and exactness of the parts is another class.
I my self changed from Trex on Rigid and MP-XL-E and would never again want to have a Trex.

For me is the Henseleit Copper one of the best Heli ever.
Same with the Flybarless we have a lot of V-stabi and AC-3X user
in Germany.
I love the AC-3X that is in USA not to see.
It is a Perfect System i think a little better then V-stabi !!

http://www.eheli-tuning.de/?site=ac3x

German Helis in 90 size !Super Quality that i can say !

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/

http://www.eheli-tuning.de/?site=acrshark

http://www.minicopter.de/de/Joker3.html

http://www.minicopter.de/en/Joker3DD.html#

http://www.rc-heli-tutorial.de/aktu...-der-testphase/

Sorry may English is not that well .

Voodoo600 AC-3X 2.6,TDR Rigid V-Bar 5.2.Goblin700 V-Bar 5.2

12-19-2009 Over year old.
titillater

Senior Heliman

Duncan B.C

Well I ended up getting an MPV91XL 700mm blades,but have not flown it yet,I'm waiting for some Hitec 7940THs for cyclic,plus the weather stinks.I have to say its a pretty nice machine,it won't be so nice if I have to dig it out of the ground but I'm looking forward to flying it.

12-20-2009 Over year old.
quark3DNT

Heliman

San Jose, CA

First off, congrats, you just bought yourself the Mercedes/Ferrari under the r/c helis. Mercedes in terms of build quality and fit and finish, Ferrari in terms of performance. Hmm, now that I think of it, maybe Henseleit is the Audi R8 of helis - incredible performance yet absolute reliability and virtually no maintenance required with an unusual design (that's controversial to this day).

So, let's compare r/c helis and cars. Most helis have tons of upgrade parts available as most cars can be customized to your heart's desire (some more than others). Shiny blue (or name your color) anodized parts in addition to plenty of carbon fiber is the name of the upgrade game and I have plenty of those parts on my T-Rex 450. Does it fly better because of them - well, some did actually improve the flying, others improved the perception that it will fly better now ;-)

So, what's different with a Henseleit? It's a perfectly created machine from the ground up with very little room (if any) to improve. That's why I compare it to the Audi R8 (yes, I'm Audi biased but I truly love Lamborghini and specifically the Gallardo from a design perspective - it's got built in passion). Sure, you can add some twin compressors or turbos to the R8 but it won't necessarily make it any (or much) better but you can drive it every day and don't have to worry about fit/finish or reliability. The same goes for pretty much any Henseleit. I flew mine last year after a year's worth break and it fired up and flew just like I had flown it the day before or after 500 flights. Everything was still perfectly in order, every linkage was tight, nothing had deteriorated, most importantly not even my excitement to fly it. That's not true of my other other helis - plastic parts do change over time and wear out, 100% carbon/aluminum does not (or so little that it's not noticeable). That's really the joy of owning/flying a Henseleit - no fuss, just go out and fly.

In any case, as you might have guessed, my Henseleit (so far only a 3DNT) is the cream of my heli crop and enjoyable every time I fly it without any reservation. I can count the upgraded parts over time on one hand - quite amazing for a model that was around for 4 years without major upgrades. The philosophy has continued with the Rigid being the latest brainchild of Jan Henseleit. The trend is also toward electrics of any size (especially in Germany and Europe due to environmental and noise issues/restrictions), so we'll see how his latest design influences others.

Enjoy every minute of it.

12-25-2009 Over year old.
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Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

Sounds like parts are hard to come by in the US.

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12-26-2009 Over year old.
cudaboy_71

Elite Veteran

sacramento, ca, u.s.

AFAIK parts are non-existent in the U.S.

i order from revolution UK or Jan himself. so, stock up when you order.

if it ain't broke, break it.

12-26-2009 Over year old.
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quark3DNT

Heliman

San Jose, CA

I second cudaboy - parts are, unfortunately, not distributed in the US. The "personal" dealer network (ie owners) are always willing to help out if necessary though (see other threads).

I've ordered from Rev UK on a Sunday and had it on a Thursday without excessive postage either - at least for small parts. They also accept US cc. Ordering from Jan directly is a bit more involved but you are more or less guaranteed he has every item in stock. cyberheli is another alternative - they also ship within the week - I don't know their current stock situation though - it's been too long that I've ordered from them.

12-26-2009 Over year old.
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Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

Too bad we don't have a US distributor for both AC-3X and for Henseleit.

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12-26-2009 Over year old.
titillater

Senior Heliman

Duncan B.C

I don't think there is much of a market here because I get alot of the "deer in the headlights" look from people when I tell them what I have.

12-26-2009 Over year old.
Ronald Thomas

rrMaster

Gainesville, Fl, USA

Well a lot of it IMO is parts availability. I don't think it is the cost of the kit as there are even more expensive options out there that people buy on a regular basis. Even if Jan set up for Paypal, then buying parts would be even easier as there would be no fee for bank transfers . People will buy it if they can get parts for it BUT I think Jan has his hands full as it is. He is basically a one man show and he keeps QC in his own hands........Ron

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

12-26-2009 Over year old.
mike658sr

Senior Heliman

Glen Ellyn, Illinois

In a New York minute. My MPXLE is one of the "BEST".
No "most enjoyable" I've flown. The other is my MA Fury Tempest 90 FAI
but that's a lot of work to keep it in the air.

The Henseleit is pure enjoyment.

Living the dream!

12-28-2009 Over year old.
Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

The Henseleit is pure enjoyment
...and good engineering.

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12-28-2009 Over year old.
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