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flybear
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I have a Hawk Pro with an OS37 that is is causing me a great deal of grief. The engine has 3 gallons thru it. During several start attempts the fan nut came loose. It was torqued tight with high strength locktite. After re-tightning the last time all seemed well and the engine seemed to run fine. Then just as I attempted a start the fan sheared off between the drive slots. The mixture control valve is slightly lean from the factory setting and the needle valve is out 1 1/4 turns. I can hold my finger on the backplate forever. None of this happens as a result of the starter being inserted or withdrawn, it happens while the starter is turning the engine.
Any ideas?
09-13-2009 01:02 AM
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imnxtc
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It was torqued tight .....

What method did you use to keep the engines crankshaft from turning while you did so?
09-13-2009 01:16 AM
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flybear
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Held the crankshaft as is shown in the OS37 manual. This time the nut held but the fan sheared.
09-13-2009 01:24 AM
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Dilbeck
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Just a thought but are you using a 1 way bearing on your starter?

If it doesn't fly sell it!
09-13-2009 02:51 PM
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imnxtc
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Sounds like it is hydrolocked when you try to start it. If so thank god the fan sheared otherwise you would damage the con rod in the engine

If you are using muffler pressure, you should ALWAYS disconnect the pressure line form the muffler before filling the tank. If you don't you risk pumping raw fuel into the muffler as the tank reaches full. This raw fuel will get sucked directly into the engine as soon as you start to crank it....hydrolock city.
09-13-2009 05:26 PM
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flybear
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To answer both questions. I am not using a one way bearing and fuel is not backing up into the muffler. Could there be a bad bearing in the engine that causes it to seize up occasionally?
09-13-2009 11:25 PM
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FBoss
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You may just have a run of bad luck here as well. The Nut coming loose and the busted fan may very well unrelated. On the nut, I guess you are using a crank lock, it does need to be torqued pretty good. In addition, when you are torquing the nut and you are at full torque hold full force for several seconds. I used to have my nut back off but haven't had one back off in a long time, use blue lock tight the red is over kill and a hassle later. If you are running too rich you'll get alot more vibes that wont help. You should not be able to hold your finger on forever, if you can you are running rich, lean it out.

Fans do on occasion get stripped out, especially if the pin has slipped. The one way bearing shaft really works good and relieves alot of stress from the starting process. Some will say switch to the new Raven fan, it has the one way built in and eliminates the whole heli mounted starter shaft. Im cheap and already laid out the bucks for the one way starter shaft so I opted to keep the old school fan (as its $6 bucks compared to, I think, $15 for the new style. If I was looking at getting one or the other (new fan or shaft) Id go with the new fan.

Yes a bad bearing in the motor could cause the fan nut to back off but I have about 30gals thru my 037, bearing is still good, so Id be looking for another problem.

I think you just have had a small run of bad luck and its 2 separate "issues". Get the motor tuned right, torque that nut good with a crank lock and maintain high torques for several seconds, keep at it, your problems are not a problem with the design or parts quality.

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09-14-2009 01:49 AM
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flybear
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Thanks. There is one thing that I notice when I rotate the engine by hand. When the piston reaches top dead center it doesn't just go over-center and start back down. It sticks there and I can rotate the crank a few degees either way without it moving. I'm not that familiar with these little engines. Is this normal?
09-14-2009 02:47 AM
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Mutt
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Do yourself a favor get the one way starter shaft and you wont have anymore problems with a stripped fan. I have been using the same plastic fan for years with no issues ever. Also as said before blue locktite and tighten the nut down good and use a crank lock to hold the crankshaft from turning and you should be set to go and as stated also your way to rich lean it out.

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09-14-2009 02:36 PM
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MikeInMobile
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I use Loctite green for the prop nut. I tighten the nut and THEN add a couple of drops of loctite green to the nut. I have never had a prop nut come loose, and, as an added bonus, the nut can be removed using a 3/8 drive ratchet easily when rewuired!
09-14-2009 06:49 PM
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MartyH
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Yeah, lets start with either getting a start shaft with the one way bearing or, upgrade to the CNC fan as it has a one way bearing built into it.

Marty,
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09-29-2009 06:03 PM
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FBoss
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Or the new stock fan for the NX, one way in it too

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09-29-2009 07:17 PM
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oldfart
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Or the new stock fan for the NX, one way in it too

This can be a little ambiguous for some, so I would just like to clarify that the center of the 50NX fan has a normal hex coupler built in. It does not have a one-way bearing there. It will require a start wand with a one-way.
09-30-2009 12:24 AM
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Dilbeck
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As I Questioned before, starting the hawk without a one way starting wand or bearing will cost you 3 fold. I destroyed 4 fans in no time due to this 1 factor. I would crank and crank and crank and flood and cranking on and on. Once I purchased the one way starting shaft all I did was hit the trigger once for a nano second and it started every time. It will almost twist by hand and start with a correct starting one way bearing..

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09-30-2009 12:52 AM
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reddragon
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If you had not already done so make sure you thoroughly clean BOTH the nut threads and the shaft threads so that it is free of oil. The loc-tite will not hold if you don't clean them.
09-30-2009 12:47 PM
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oldfart
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Could there be a bad bearing in the engine that causes it to seize up occasionally?

Yes, also a bad clutch support bearing (specially one that is not seated properly) can also do the samw thing.

Also, what are you using for a starter?
10-01-2009 05:45 PM
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