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xcellgasman101
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WoW!!! Things sure can get out of wack in a hurry around, here,,,

Raja, Wally,, you are both wrong for bring Bill into your pissing match, This is between the two of you,, NO ONE ELSE!!! We all need to take a breath, and calm down, We are all going down the same road, we might as well all be friends, or at least keep unsavory committs to our selfs, You both bring allot to this fourm, and we don't need to loose anyone, I took a break from RR for several Months just because of this kind of BS. Sit back, take a sip of something cool, beside the beer, and clear your heads,, Come on guy, we all want the same thing, people to learn and have a good time flying Gasser Heli's,, there nothing better on this planet than putting a gas heli into the air,, Nothing,, XGM/VGM

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08-25-2009 03:26 AM
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shawmcky
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+1 0n that one John

Sounds like the "Club" mentality creeping in,are there supposed to be kings of the hill here ,a number one spot,is this what this forum is all about now?Best to keep it about advice and help.Pretty childish stuff really.

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08-25-2009 07:13 AM
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Chris Bergen
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I COULD give MY version of what happened at Show Center... But I would really like to see the PM as Bill suggests, Raja.

Chris Bergen
08-25-2009 03:56 PM
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jrockstuart
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Let's hear it, Chris.

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08-25-2009 04:05 PM
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Fixit
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I COULD give MY version of what happened at Show Center... But I would really like to see the PM as Bill suggests, Raja.

If bill was to look in his Pm sent box wouldn’t the PM in question be there.

I only like to fly gassed up
08-25-2009 05:58 PM
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C.A.P.
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Ok I'm back!! And stop all the e-mail, What I was doing is something I learn to do Corporate America, Having the other guy help me prove my point, I was not bashing Raja, I just let he think so, read my post again!! OK maybe a little, It was bashing the hold of us, and my self, I needed to Raja, to tell the truth, So I bated him, he's easy because he is vain but this post shows how vain I can get when I want to prove a point. He said it was ok to come close to people with his heli because they like it, This shows how wrong we all were, except the people who were getting bashed by the younger crowd, who's fun was being taken away; GET THE POINT. I LOOKED THE OTHER WAY BECAUSE I BEFRIENDED RAJA, Raja flying was dangerous, but because I befriended him, I let him do something wrong, Something I knew was wrong, And so did everyone at the show by the RV site, who cheer him on. Who cares how cool it looked and how much fun it was, People have let Raja do this for a long time that's why He sees no wrong in it, There are rules and when Raja got a way with it, people with bigger nitro's started to do it, SEE THE DANDER IN NOT STOPPING JUST THE ONE, and I just like everyone else in the very young group, just watched, (by the way Raja I had the AMA over to ask if we could spool up just behind my RV, He said I could do short climb outs about 100 feet away but just straight up and down, just because I had a 2.4GHz, radio, He said 72 MHz could get a cross signal so close to the RV site ),which show you how much more wrong I was not to stop you,, It was Bret Walker getting really paid off, that I realized that I was just as wrong as Raja for letting it happen. Just like I 'm try to tell Raja not reporting that the 27cc is stronger then the hanson 3d max, because of his friendship with Al at Hanson, Get It Raja, Just like I Was try to tell him there is heat soak, the film by Cody is not flawed I just shut the engine off, it clearly showed the temp come down then go up then down "that is heat soak plain and simple" Even with the fan cooling the engine it still happened. So we need not go down that road any farther,. The temps Raja reported and believed to be right is the heat soak temp coming down, he simple did not do his temp fast enough, that's all. He is stubborn, Not a crime. He reported that his heli was running at that temp 270deg before he put on the Cooler fan on another post, And just forgot, ,I needed to have him see that he can do things wrong maybe, But the only thing he did not do was do it fast enough, Now He will not jump to conclusion so fast and he does make mistakes. and that's exactly why I have other people test stuff for me!!, So Lets stop, the point is if we let someone get away with something they will and others will follow like a cancer to the hobby, with all the new younger crowed we must show the right path, So no one gets hurt and none gives the wrong information.[
Raja I will go forward , and you are right a lot of people are interested in the engine, And don't you think you owe them, a good report instead of protecting a friend Like I did at the show,[list]
Chris, Please you know I know how you feel, let's stop, RAJA IS A GOOD MAN, just stubborn, And has help a lot of people so lets not turn into a pack of dogs, , and we'v talked about being stubbornness, we all are

] Wally
08-25-2009 07:50 PM
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rbort
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Wait a minute!

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I had the AMA over to ask if we could spool up just behind my RV, He said I could do short climb outs about 100 feet away but just straight up and down, just because I had a 2.4GHz, radio, He said 72 MHz could get a cross signal so close to the RV site ),which show you how much more wrong I was not to stop you,

The AMA guy came and told you that you could take off with your 13 lb Predator gasser and climb 100 feet in all its glory with 720mm blades right behind your camper with a neighbor's camper like 15 feet from yours where you said the bat was sleeping...

and then you think he came and complained to you because I landed my 1 lb trex 450 on the roof of an empty golf cart back there behind your camper?

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
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08-25-2009 08:17 PM
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j.8
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Hi

You can actually get a hat fan, incase things get a little hot,
just to cool things down a bit


Regards Bo
08-25-2009 09:45 PM
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jrockstuart
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RAJA IS A GOOD MAN, just stubborn,

Umm...

Let's take a survey of who is not stubborn on this website? The only people who will not beat their fists on the table saying their logic is right and everyone else is wrong are the New Helimen who don't know any better.

If we want to stop fighting about who is right and who is top dog, then I think maybe we could all migrate over to the women's heli pilot section and discuss which shade of pink looks best on our tail fins. But we're men, and this is what men do. One only has to watch the Discovery channel and see the monkees beating each other's heads with sticks to see our male instincts manifested.

But let's try and be respectful so that nobody gets their feelings hurt and quits our little forum. I personally get a kick out of seeing Wally and Raja fight, but I hate for it to be where one of them ends up in the corner crying because they got their feelings hurt and then leaves Runryder altogether.

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08-25-2009 09:58 PM
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rbort
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Solar?

Hey is that hat solar powered? I'm liking it as it goes with my Green theme, no chargers on the field all week long at IRCHA -- heli charges itself and tx's charge on the case mounted solar panels!

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
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08-25-2009 11:34 PM
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rc3po
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Yep, looks solar.. Ya think that thing can produce enuf power to operate the fan and a refrigerated huggy?
That's what I want Raja, a refrigerated huggy....
08-26-2009 01:06 AM
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shawmcky
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jrockstuart

Have to agree with most of your comments as we need all the gasser pilots we can get.Gassers are still a niche thing really with a very small audience in the scheme of things.I think this forum makes it seem bigger than it really is,maybe like a small country,and we dont need no "stinkin presidents".

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
08-26-2009 09:18 AM
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C.A.P.
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[quote]WoW!!! Things sure can get out of whack in a hurry around, here,,,

Raja, Wally,, you are both wrong for bring Bill into your pissing match, This is between the two of you,, NO ONE ELSE!!![

xcellgasman101, the reason I jump in this post was to tell Raja his test was flawed. And I didn't drag Bill in, I mention that Bill was spotting for him, TO LET HIM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN, HE ASK BILL AFTER BILL ASK HIM AND I NOT TO, Justin started with with idea that was a "pissing match", And then I got pms to watch how I disagree with Raja because some of sort of god and if I got him ped-off and my motor would go not where, So I then had to show "Raja and I are not Gods", We have our area's which we know a lot more then the other, Raja heli setup'sAND 3D FLYING - Me engines HE was POSTING something I knew was wrong, Justin got everyone off the subject. then everyone else followed just because when two people disagree like Raja and Me, It's about who's king, You guys forget the subject and turned it in a war, If it was a war, I would of not stop you guys from turning in to a pack of dogs, I did not want to destroy Raja, just open up his one way thinking, and YES I FAILED , because he still will not post about the engine contest, And not one of you who pm me not to stop with engine (42 pms & e-mails) will come on and ask him why? If you are going to buy something for about $500.00 don't want to know what Raja's view is, Isn't wrong that he keeps it from you OR are YOU GUY AFRIAD HE WILL PUT A Curse ON YOU??? how about about unbiased opinion, "from experts in their fields" here just trying to help that's all. shawmckay had to change that a little

I will start a new post on heat soak to get away from this crap, Wally
08-27-2009 01:58 AM
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Dr. Fibinotchi
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Thurs

I will try to do a video thurs. Here it is 8pm and I just got home from work and have to go back. I just picked up the little guy. Its truelly amazing the tiny amount of time you have with a newborn..lol

-Cody

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.
08-27-2009 02:00 AM
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xcellgasman101
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Wally,, I'm not a follower,, I do my own testing, and have from the start,, about 15 years ago now, I started flying a gas heli from the start, and it cost me dearly,, I just know what it is like to be dragged into a argument, that you want no part of, There is a gas heli God, and his name is Bill Medor, well maybe not a God, but pretty darn close, I would talk to Bill for hours on end when I first started even had him on the phone while I flew (hovered) just so he could listed to my engine, I listened and learned allot from this man, and I just thought it was child'est of you both to bring him into your fight, Your 27cc compared to Hanson 26,, I have two or three Hanson 26's and 1 toxic 231 and I like them both, I have never had the chance to try out one of your engines yet, but hope to soon,,, I just wanted to clear up some misconstrued concepts there about being scared of Raja,, I don't believe in curses.. Well not yet anyway,,, Now,, lets all get back to helping each other out,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
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08-27-2009 02:32 AM
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jrockstuart
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Justin started with with idea that was a "pissing match",

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Justin got everyone off the subject. then everyone else followed

Sorry Wally. My bad.

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08-27-2009 03:24 AM
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rbort
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You know Wally...

You promised to send me one of your engines about a year ago if not more and to this day I still don't have it, right?

With that being said, how do you expect me to promote your engine or say good things about it when I have no experience with it?

I've tried to call you about a half dozen times the last 2 days and you don't bother answer my calls. I sent you a PM to call me, you read it, you are on here surfing and writing posts, and you don't answer the phone.

What do you want me to do?

About the test, its a test I did and found no rise in temp on either machine, repeated it 4 times to be sure. In any case, the whole thing was to show temps, rising if any, and cooldown. Just because of this test you had to go off the wire and start saying stuff that I was dangerous at IRCHA and whatnot? It may be a surprise to you but I'm one of the safest pilots you can run into. People at my home field can attest to that. I'm trying to find out what good stuff you're smoking as I might want some of that too. I'm sipping some Chardonnay here but its not having the same effect on me...maybe you ought to return my calls so I can address your frustrations.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
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08-27-2009 04:05 AM
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C.A.P.
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ARE YOU FREAKING FREAKING FREAKING FREAKING KIDDING!!!!! [[*]
When I call when we got home said you would not say anything bad to hurt Hanson, That would cost him his business. That's why I have been push it,You said 2 or 3 mpr the radar gun said 5, Now I hear you say it might be off, I just got it brand new the day I went to the show just for this contest., You will not be honest about the contest, That we both traveled to the show to do, [

And you wanted ME to give YOU an engine to test, so you could give an Unbiased Opinion???? THE!!! Boy was that the best decision I ever made. I know It's me I just can not for the life of me find the page your on, It doesn't make any deference to me about the test anymore after what you just wrote, and I think for the people who have any respect left for either of us . ]Lets let this go and close this post, I will not reply to you anymore and Stop Calling Me!!!! I'm Taken
YOUR FRIEND ALWAYS, IS THIS NUTS OR WHAT?? WALLY

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08-27-2009 05:31 AM
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rbort
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Just to make things clear

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When I call when we got home said you would not say anything bad to hurt Hanson, That would cost him his business.

I never said no such thing.

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And you wanted ME to give YOU an engine to test

No Wally, YOU said you wanted to give me an engine, you were the one who offered it, not me asked you for it. And you mentioned it several times, probably almost every time we got on the phone - guess you already forgot that now.

In any case, why don't you call me when you're ready so we can get to the bottom of what's bothering you. You know I'm trying but you're unresponsive when I call, and I hate to see you in this state I keep remembering the nice Wally I met at IRCHA and want you to be back to your good old self.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
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08-27-2009 05:44 AM
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AceBird
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Okay explain it to me what is the right way

The right way to take experimental data is with a calibrated thermocouple that puts out live data. IR guns are inherently wrong for taking temperature of the fins unless you are only interested in a comparative reading not an absolute reading. The fin temperature not only varies from fin to fin it also varies as you move out from the cylinder wall. These cheap guns are averaging an area that includes multiple fins and the area around the fins. The reading will change depending on the angle that you point it not just the fin you point it at because the more perpendicular to the cylinder you get the more of the cylinder wall you are reading and not the fin. The cylinder should be much hotter than the fin.

Now the word I misused in the other post “emissivity” also comes into play with IR guns. Aluminum is reflective. And cast aluminum has a surface texture like little granules of sand that will emit IR rays back to the sensor based on the angle of incidence. This skews the readings. You saw that pointing the gun at the shiny muffler to a much greater degree (no pun intended). Variations will occur from engine to engine. No casting is the same and as the age of the engine increases dirt for one, will change the emissivity index. You can use an IR gun for comparing readings of your engine from run to run. But you cannot expect your readings to agree with others trying to do the same thing. Be very carful drawing conclusions from readings with these IR guns.

Thermography is an IR technology that gives good results but the equipment and software is enormously expensive.

Ace
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08-27-2009 05:35 PM
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