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Align T-REX 600N 700N > 700 CRASH! What?? Was it Servo, Radio, What?!?!
 
 
flustercluck
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Fellas, help please:

This afternoon I was on the first tank on my 700. Two min into the flt, I'm coming down from maybe 75 ft, tail-in, at maybe a 30-deg angle. My intent was to come down to 10 ft off the deck and bring the tail straight up for a nice nose-over flip. But crappo, as I'm about 50-ft away I notice the elevator cyclic on the DX7 has no input!!!

I mean, I'm jamming the elevator stick full forwards and backwards, no response, and the d*mn thing is still coming in backwards at an angle- I couldn't stop the backward flt and I'm wondering, WTF is this???!?!?

Only thing I could do was hit TH hold and just hang on for the ride down... and it wasn't pretty since she came down on a slight slope and at that angle. DAMMIT I hate mechanicals and I got NO IDEA why I lost elevator. Any ideas?? Was it servo failure? Did the DX7 go squirrely?? There was no glitching, that's for sure, and no loss of signal.

What's doubly weird was that to try & check the tx, I switched models to my 600, turned on the rx, and it wouldn't initialize!!!??? I sat there at the field and did this 5 or more times: turn on tx, turn on rx, and the servos would buzz (but not move) but there was NO servo response to stick input. Finally, after about the 6th time, the 600 initialized and everything seemed to be ok (there was only one other pilot at the field, and his stuff was off). But no way I was going to attempt a flt.

I use 9452's on the 700's swash, and the sole plastic gear in the elevator servo stripped- I presume on impact. But here's the kicker: when I was taking the horn wheel off to get the servo out, I noticed that the wheel bolt was kinda loose. Then, looking at where the splines at the center of the wheel mate up with the servo drive spline, I see black plastic bits...looks to me like maybe the servo wheel is stripped?

Now here's the question: could the wheel have stripped in flt, causing ELE loss??? To be sure, I really jam the ELE a lot both front & back for quick flips, etc.... so it's working hard. Or was the wheel stripped somehow on impact?? I'm sure the impact stripped the internal servo gear.

As it turns out I had a spare 9452 gear that I put in, and the servo seems fine. BUT... I'm half scared to fly the 600, now, since 1) it took +5 times to initialize and 2) I'm still not positive what caused the elevator loss in the 700.

Is my DX7 ok? You guys ever had this or something similar happen?

The 700's is benched til I get some parts, but I'd like to fly the 600 in the meantime... I just don't know whether I should or not???

Help!!
07-04-2009 04:46 AM
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TMoore
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The elevator doesn't work but the TH does?

Sounds suspicious to me. I would send the radio back or trash it and get another one that works.

TM

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07-04-2009 04:52 AM
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BarracudaHockey
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Well if TH worked then it wasn't a lockout.

Are you sure you were using the correct arms/wheels on the servo?

As for the 600 booting, try holding the transmitter at arms length and see if it does it, also metal tables and shelves will cause reflections that will make it act nutty during intialization but the first thing I'd try is holding the radio a few feet away.


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07-04-2009 04:53 AM
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Wesley-G
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After the crash were you missing one of the balls from the mixing arms.
07-04-2009 04:55 AM
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bentvalve1
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wow sorry to hear about this..hearing this im glad im grounded till i get mine fixed from my 1st mishap..don
07-04-2009 04:59 AM
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JetFire
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Only thing I could do was hit TH hold and just hang on for the ride down

Its already been asked but if you could let us know if Throttle Hold actualy engaged (came to an idle) or if it was an instinctive reflex of the switch only in your part while the heli was still screaming. This will determine if it was a possible lockout. Also, if it did go to idle... do you recall that happening before you hit the switch or shortly after? I'm asking because if it didn't happen instantaneously your failsafe could of possibly kicked in leading to other possible causes. In addition... judging from what you had to say, I highly doubt the wheels stripped in flight because it sounds like it only happened to one and you still have the other two to get some kind of control regardless how small. It still would of been ugly but the heli would of made some kind of directional movement. I think that occured after the impact. In any event, glad no one got hurt and personaly... I'd have the transmitter looked at if you got it narrowed down or have the slightest hunch that it was a lockout.

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07-04-2009 06:38 AM
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f penfold
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make sure you check the elevator arm grub screw it may have backed out slighty and be turning on the shaft. You can tell this by looking at the shaft for groves where the grub screw has has rubbed. also check your sat rxs if the leads are under tension they can work loose and not power up so you get power to servos but no control over them.

I know I used lock tight why did my head explode
07-04-2009 07:27 AM
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Daved Gutierrez
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yes check the set screw that holds the A arm it's very likely that is loose, i saw one of my flying friends crash his machine because of that little screw, good luck
07-04-2009 08:22 AM
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flustercluck
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thx fellas... I'll continue check all that you've suggested

the more I look at this, the more it seems that the servo wheel stripped in flt while on the ELE servo... it's the stock Align servo wheel for Futaba

as to the 600 not initializing, when I was trying it the tx was only inches away from the rx at the time... maybe that was too close?
07-04-2009 03:57 PM
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JAGNZ
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as to the 600 not initializing, when I was trying it the tx was only inches away from the rx at the time... maybe that was too close?

That will do it. Need to be about 1 Meter away at least.

Were the horns that are on your 700 now ever in a previous crash on another bird? The Align Wheels need to be replaced after EVERY crash, they always partially strip and leave those bits of black behind....


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07-04-2009 04:00 PM
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Quicktoy
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Read the problems I'm having with my dx7 in a topic I have on main forum. Are you running a lipo in radio? I bet stripping caused from wreck and you had a brown out

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07-04-2009 05:47 PM
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f penfold
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normally the align wheels will give you some warning before they go. Ive had a couple go and i always had to retrimm a couple times in flight.when i inspected the teeth on the wheels was was worn . somthing else to look out for .I be leave thats why quick came out with there wheels.

I know I used lock tight why did my head explode
07-04-2009 06:51 PM
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Duckster
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i dont think it was the Spekrum problem, for my experience it was the servo horn screw flew away due to u didnt locktite it, my first experience in ccpm heli nitro unlike the raptor i havent got any problem with the servo horn failure... anyway check check check b4 u fly

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07-05-2009 01:27 AM
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Melon
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Ouch that sucks.
You should have move the tail horizontally and leveled it with aileron.

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07-05-2009 01:32 AM
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Yug
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Bad servo connection or servo failure ?

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07-05-2009 02:42 AM
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LONEWOLF2440
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Darn that sucks

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07-05-2009 02:59 AM
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AgentOrange
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its funny that you mention that,there was a guy at are field today that had a stripped Align servo wheel but he caught it before he got a chance to fly and I think that it was the elevator servo wheel. As far as you 600 not booting up I have had this happen but it usually only happens once, i just turn it off and back on and then its fine. maybe try what Barracuda said or try a rebind and see if that works.

Look its the rookie, everyone run and hide
07-05-2009 03:09 AM
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S76 Mech
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Ironic Thread

My 700 has been nothing but flawless since I built it last August. Not a scratch or ding on her, and I beat on this machine!

I should've definately NOT ignored the signs today.

1. I got cut-off not once, but twice on the way to the field.
2. I get detoured about 3 miles away from the field and I have no idea how to navigate the back-roads, luckily I made the right set of turns and made it to the field.
3. First starts, my plug dies.
4. Change the plug, then the starter coupling loosens up and starts spinning.

Get 2 solid flights in.

5. Flight 3, I get about 10' up into a hover and click into Idle Up, then the machine noses over while rotating. The heli lands on its side and remained running.

Take the lid off and discover the battery leads cold worked themselves off the Deans plug. Clean break thru the solder. These leads were tie wrapped to the nose tray with a piece of Zeal gel tape in between for vibration. Guess it didn't help much.

Still going thru the post mishap inspection and gathering intellengence (I mean part numbers)

All 3 9452s are stripped out among the damage.

Rick Cotte
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07-05-2009 03:30 AM
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AgentOrange
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that sucks sounds like the week that i have had.

Look its the rookie, everyone run and hide
07-05-2009 04:02 AM
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jschenck
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"settling with power" ?

maybe it's just my imagination but seems to me that I've had a few times where if I'm decending at just the right (wrong?) speed with a tail wind that I loose elevator effectivness. This senario you described is almost exactly what happened to me with my Predator last month. I also hit throttle hold as it was nosing in toward the ground. I actually got some elevator effectivness back just as I was about 8' off the ground but I had already lost most of the headspeed and was going forward pretty fast so it tumbled, bounced and flipped. Amazingly didn't break the 710 V-blades (!!?) nor did it the tail boom but it will require a tear down as the engine laid in some soft dirt idling away sucking in that fine dry dirt

Anyway, not sure if this fits your scenario but it seems to me that it's possible to get caught in a down wind rotor wash aka "settling with power". I most often feel the effects of this with certain auto's where I'm shooting it downwind in a light breeze condition

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07-05-2009 05:24 AM
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