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beginner need some tips & tricks to learn piro loop then piro globe

I have learn reguler loop, side loop or aileron loop then backward loop but when combine it together the loop become messy

anyone please?

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Thomas Moore

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First take into account that your a beginner and that you should have all of your orientations down pat upright and inverted. I think that if your holding full stick on the rudder and the pirouette rate is consistent then timing is your issue.

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Anthony.L

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Try watching this video and see if it helps you learn the trick.

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My bit of advice, before you even attempt to learn the piro flip you need to master two things. Being able to hold a consistent pirouette right side up and stay in one given place. Then the same thing again but inverted. If you can't hold the heli in once place while pirouetting you will have a hard time flipping.

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VooDooX

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do you know all your orientations? because in a piro loop you will be hitting all of them so if you dont know some it could get really sloppy really fast if you have to abort for any reason or cant maintain it the full loop

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Thomas Moore

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Try watching this video and see if it helps you learn the trick.

CLICK HERE

My bit of advice, before you even attempt to learn the piro flip you need to master two things. Being able to hold a consistent pirouette right side up and stay in one given place. Then the same thing again but inverted. If you can't hold the heli in once place while pirouetting you will have a hard time flipping.
I think he's trying to learn the piro loop rather than flip.

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thanks all for the sharing

I am learning all orientation by doing sideloop, backward loop. etc
so orientation is not a problem, I think so

how about right stick (Mode 2), we do it go round also like when we do piro flip?

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Sam2b

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how about right stick (Mode 2), we do it go round also like when we do piro flip?
Yes, but a much smaller less aggressive "round" stick movements, and it is imperative you keep precise track of where the heli's tail is. I always promote being conscious and aware of the heli's orientation in any given maneuver, and not merely stirring the cyclic stick. If you have the sim, do it there about 300,000 times before you bring it to the field, and make it a goal to piro slowly and as majestic as possible.

If you make an effort to first learn the piro flip and master it in a mostly stationary form, a piro loop will come a little more natural. When mastering the piro flip I promote making it a goal to briefly stabilize horizontally upright and inverted before proceeding with the next flip. This way you have a much more goal oriented maneuver at hand and requires a mentally exhausting discipline.

Lastly, with a pirouetting loop (different than a pirouetting flip) you need to be on the collective more aggressively to keep the heli traveling. Otherwise you'll find the heli loose momentum quickly. It's a great idea to practice large slow loops at a stationary orientation as nose first, tail first, and sideways. You'll have a better feel of when to give what collective direction and how much to keep the loop going. Then experiment with mixing cyclic while pirouetting. I am still learning this myself, but have come a long way.
My bit of advice, before you even attempt to learn the piro flip you need to master two things. Being able to hold a consistent pirouette right side up and stay in one given place.
Totally true.

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Sam2b
If you have the sim, do it there about 300,000 times before you bring it to the field, and make it a goal to piro slowly and as majestic as possible.
OHHH; so I have to do it 200,000 more times and then I be able to do it?
I still cant do it to safe my life! LOL I know that I have to put some serious hours in the SIM. You make it look so easy when you do it! that its incredible! you got skills!!!!

I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!

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