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Kyosho Caliber-3-5-6-Series F3C-Caliber-90 > FBL Caliber5 without a stab sytem
 
 
heli-cuzz
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I recently had purchased an Outrage FBL head for my Caliber5 from helidirect.
I built the head in twenty minutes and it sat for a month collecting dust.
Lately work has been slow so I had to hold off on the 280 dollar skookum sk360 for the FBL set-up.
Well today was the day.... I have always wanted to try FBL without the fancy electronics to see how the heli responded with just 2 rotor blades and servo to swash control and ofcourse the rest of the heli.

Let me tell you.... I was a bit intimidated from all the reading I have done and all the responses I have read on this particular subject. I've even viewed a few vids of other pilots hovering around very unstable and sloppy with a FBL and no stabilization system but with a 450 size.
I simply took the entire fly-barred head, swash, and main mast off my everyday Caliber5 and installed the Outrage FBL head, swash, and a modified main mast. My friend used his end mill and took just under a 1/2 inch off the top of the mast. I had to do this for pitch reasons and to keep the 2 pitch link rods as short as possible.

I started out with 75% expo and had the dual rates down to 65% keeping it as tame as possible. Pitch curve are no different than the flybarred version. I toned the headspeed down to 1700rpm.
I hovered the first two tanks. By the end of the 2nd tank I had backed off on the expo to 0% linear and the dual rates were back to 100% as well as a 1950 headspeed.
This heli is as stable as it is with a flybar. I was amazed how well it handled the wind just before the thunderstorms we had.
Two more tanks after dinner with my buddy Aaron, but this time it was in idle up. I checked the climbouts and climbdowns then onto loops, rolls, flips, and lots of FFF. No signs of porpoising or ballooning at all.
It flies as stable as its cousin the flybarred version. It flies like its on rails. It rolls and flips faster. Seemingly longer flight times. Full +10 and -10 pitched loops with no engine bog whatsoever. Amazing.
I'm very happy with its performance without the 2 axis stab sytem.
Tomorrow is going to be fun and exciting. I'll try and get some vid of the FBL Caliber5 and some stills.
A stripped down FBL Cal5

06-27-2009 12:23 PM
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baby uh1
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I asked this on the Freak also, What servos are you using on this setup?

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!
06-27-2009 01:02 PM
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heli-cuzz
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Lmao

I answered over there. The beauty of C&P.



I'm running Futaba 9252 servos for swash and throttle powered by a 5.8 regulator with a step down for the Futaba 9256 on the tail.

As I was flying around getting the feel for the FBL stab free system. I was asking myself why is a stab system needed?
Now I'm having a hard time understanding why a stab system is needed with a FBL head
I thought it was suppose to be twitchy and unmanageable without a stab system. That was not the case.
The beauty of it is that it takes me ten minutes to re-install the flybarred head if I don't like it, but so far it's much better than I expected.
I'm off to the field in 30 minutes to make sure it wasn't a dream. LoL
06-27-2009 01:20 PM
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baby uh1
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I figured that it would take some high torque servos but those arn't the highest.That is so cool! Please keep us posted on the progress.

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!
06-27-2009 02:20 PM
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Kevinator9
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Location: North Shore, New Zealand

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Thats pretty good. I thought it would be impossible to fly without the stabilizer system but it sounds as if getting one would be pointless for you...?

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06-27-2009 09:51 PM
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jeepjk
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electronic stabs are needed because someone developed them, marketed them and then someone paid $400.00 for it and then said you cant fly a fbl head without one!
06-27-2009 10:19 PM
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enahs
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That's pretty cool man! I know of one person that has done something similar without electronic stabalization. His thoughts echoed the same thing as what you've posted here.

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06-27-2009 10:21 PM
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baby uh1
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Yes, Wasn't he flying a Trex 500 or 600? I can't remember who it was but he swore you could just take the flybar off and go crazy!

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!
06-28-2009 02:55 AM
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heli-cuzz
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I'm still amazed how well it flies. It definitely has a different feel and takes some getting use to. Eventually I will try the stab sytem, but for now I'm having a blast without the stabi.
One of the things that impresses me the most is the collective responsiveness. It tick-tocks like a metronome, you set the rythm.
Here's a couple in-flite pics. Sorry no vid yet.



06-28-2009 04:31 AM
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baby uh1
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You say that you bought the FBL head for the Outrage? Or was it for the Kyosho?

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!
06-28-2009 07:18 AM
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heli-cuzz
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Its an outrage 50 sized FBL conversion head. I think its designed around the Trex600. Definitely worth the money.
I bought it from HeliDirect.
06-28-2009 11:41 AM
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baby uh1
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Thanks, I checked it out and they are out of them.

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!
06-28-2009 01:08 PM
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blade3d
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How is it going with the FBL head ?

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10-04-2009 04:00 AM
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heli-cuzz
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How is it going with the FBL head ?

I'm having so much fun flying this set-up. The first couple of gallons I was getting use to the feel of it. It flies similar but different as the flybarred model, if that makes any sense.
I'm about twenty gallons on this thing since I started flying FBL back in July.
I did crash it today.... twice! LoL
First crash was an auto tipover... No damage. Put it back into a hover before shutting the engine down.
Second crash was awesome! Two pitch links was the only damage. The rod bent on one, and on the other, the plastic link broke.
I just can't believe how it looked. I was cutting grass when all of the sudden....
... I had the heli inverted FF and descending in towards the high grass going about 15 mph. I went a touch to low. The grass reached up and pulled it in like it was a monster from a sci-fi horror flick. LoL Now if that had been a flybarred set-up, it would have bent the flybar and damaged more linkage than the FBL.
10-05-2009 03:41 AM
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egiraldo911
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Does Outrage have a FBL head for the T-Rex 700? I can't find one. There is a head from RJX, but, I don't know how good this one is. I really want to try FBL if I don't have to buy the expensive electronics for it. However, I don't know if I am going to have the same effect as you did without the STAB system. Maybe bigger helis are more stable and don't need too much assistance from a stab system. The main reason I want to convert to FBL is because I want more efficiency on a 700 electric. Is it worth the change? Who knows, but, I want to find out.
10-05-2009 05:14 PM
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robl45
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what about piro maneuvers such as piroflips and wind. Thats is what the flybarless electronics are supposed to help with. How does it compensate for wind gusts without the electronics and how does it work for piro piroette maneuvers without the electronics.
10-12-2009 02:16 PM
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heli-cuzz
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what about piro maneuvers such as piroflips and wind. Thats is what the flybarless electronics are supposed to help with. How does it compensate for wind gusts without the electronics and how does it work for piro piroette maneuvers without the electronics.

I'm still learning consecutive piro-flips and how to keep them stationary so I can't answer your question accurately.
I can say there has been no problems flying in the wind. I make the compensations instead of a stabilization system doing it for me.
The GY611 controls the tail so pirouetting manuevers don't pose any problems or extra stick work. I just go out and fly it to the best of my abilities.
I love how my naked FBL Caliber5 flies.
10-14-2009 04:47 PM
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blade3d
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So do you think the electronic FBL system is a lot of Hype meaning the average pserson can go out and try it with out any major steress ?

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10-14-2009 05:18 PM
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Kevinator9
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Hey Heli-Cuzz,

I was wondering, is the mixing on your FBL Cal5 the stock mechanical mixing or the upgrade kit eccpm?

Thanks

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10-14-2009 07:54 PM
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Jag72
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Cuzz-o-matic flybarless system...

I think I am going to give this a try...I happened to pick up an Os .37 powered Rap 30 v2 the other day....my lack of caring for the heli is really driving me to give a stab free setup a try

I am going to try the rjx 50 head on the rap 30 and give it a go with the Cuzz-o-matic setup...

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10-14-2009 09:24 PM
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