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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

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And I'm pissed to hell and back

The contractor who is building my basement is cutting wood in my garage as its raining and he can't cut outside. I had to move all my planes/helis to the garage due to the basement work. To make a long story short, he was here today and he took five six panel doors and leaned them on a cardboard box in the garage. I came home, opened the garage door, and the damn doors somehow fell either from wind or garage door vibration and landed right on my Spectra-g. That heli flew up in the air and crashed with the blades spread. The flybar tube in the cage is broken, vertical fin is broken, looks like the CF boom has hairline cracks in it, flybar damaged and blades trailing edge scraped on the concrete floor. I have not picked it up yet, I want the contractor to see it and he's paying for this negligence. Could be more damage that I have inspected it 100% yet. I've taken some pictures.

Furthermore it landed on my Extra 300 rudder and pushed that to the side, plane slid to the side and elevator banged into a plastic bucket. Some minor balsa dings in that as a bonus. And that's not all, it also landed on the 1005 gasser and bent the flybar on that machine. I just spent and hour and 15 minutes to get that flybar out and replace it. Being bent, it just didn't want to budge through the flybar tubes and I had to cut it in 3 places to finally get it out. What a bitch that was.

Well I have one heli flying now after staying up late for unscheduled repairs. Unfortunately I can't get the Spectra flyable as I don't have the flybar cage pivot tube in stock. Heading to Crow Island funfly tomorrow with only the 1005 - that sucks.

-=>Raja.

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06-27-2009 06:02 AM
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neverhappy
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Location: Upstate,NY. USA

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Sorry to hear about your mishap! I hope the contractor is insured as it was his fault. Wanna come by and use the predator? you can break it in for me and then i'll know it flyable.

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06-27-2009 06:34 AM
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Brunobl
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Location: Pomerode, SC, Brazil - 26 40S 49 11W

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Sorry tohear about that, Raja!

Back when I flew only planks and lived in an apartment, I've had my share of "home crashes" - particularly annoying when they occurred moving the models out, on the way to the flying field. That could really ruin a day.

I can't begin to imagine what it feels like to get home and find the Spectra, plus another gasser and a cool plank damaged... BY SOMEONE ELSE!

Well, at least over there in the US those guys are insured, you can fix the models and send them the bill. Which won't get the Spectra flying in time for the fun-fly, I know, but at least financially you're covered. That's a start.

From what I've seen of the contractor types over here, if something like that happened they'd just deny straight-face that they had anything to do with it. And even if they acknowledged their part in the accident they'd never pay for the damage.


...Bruno.
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06-27-2009 12:14 PM
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torque
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Raja,

sorry man,i know your pain. i can beat that. i have a shelf in my garage that is about 6ft 4in high. i have lived here for about 13 years. on the shelf i had my scale twinstar/ xcell 60 along with other stuff. under the shelf i have a brand new 50cc gas wilga that had never been flown, waiting for its first flight. i had about $1700 in it. well one day a club member stopped by and we were out side of the garage talking and the garage door was up. as we were talking the shelf just gave way. no indication that the shelf was coming down, no sagging or leaning. the shelf just fell off the wall. the twinstar and shelf contents fell on to my new scale airplane. my tiwnstar was totaled the fuselage, flybar, blades. my wilga was destroyed. the club memeber looked at me with disbelief. the wife came running to see what the noise was all about. i looked at my friend and said, see my luck i lost 2 aircraft with out starting them and leaving the house. it was a very expensive day.
06-27-2009 12:42 PM
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AceBird
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Location: Utica, NY USA

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So sorry for your loss Raja.

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I came home, opened the garage door, and the damn doors somehow fell either from wind or garage door vibration and landed right on my Spectra-g.

Try not to get emotional. You don't know what happened. Maybe it is the contractors fault and maybe it isn't. Just put in a claim to your home owners for the outlay of cash. If this contractor still has work to do for you it would not be wise to get in his face. You will end up loosing more.

Maybe MA will come out with something new now that they merged. It has got to be getting time for you to build a new one anyway isn't it? Perfect excuse for the wife I think. Always be positive.

Ace
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06-27-2009 01:24 PM
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FloridaHeli
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Location: jacksonville, florida

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Raja,

That's tough. I've had canopies fall of shelves and blown off tables but never had that much damage.

Hope you get the funds to fix them.

Look on the bright side at least they can all be repaired.

Hope you had a good weekend at the fly-in.

Tom

This hobby is WAY too expensive!!
06-27-2009 01:25 PM
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TaleGunner
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Location: Deer Park WA

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Thats rough, sorry to hear. go have a good time at the funfly today

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06-27-2009 04:43 PM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

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Thanks guys

The contractor showed up today at 8am and looked at it all still laying there. Well he said its a "grey area" as he didn't think the stuff was going to fall but said we'll work something out tell him how much the parts cost. I need to buy stuff on Monday to repair, haven't really looked at it yet.

Just got back from 2 funfly's in 1 day. 1005 gasser served me well, I put in 7 flights on it today. 1st funfly at Plum Island at an airport, with 12 pilots and 200 spectators. Several planes, some giant scale, and only a couple of helicopters. If was one of those days where you fly and the annoucer says your name, heli type, engine, jewel, etc on the PA system to the crowd who has not seen model helis fly much before. You do your usual routine and you get the ooohs and aaahs and you land to standing applause and you get to bow that type of thing. I get a kick out of those, always cool and you get to answer all the how high how fast how long how far questions. Always I pleasure I enjoyed it

Then I got back to the Crow Island funfly and put in some more flights there until dusk and hung out with several cool guys from Maine, Vermont, and other areas I'm not sure. Sat by the fire and traded stories about all subjects. Will be back tomorrow for day 2 there.

I'll repair the heli, wished it was working today for the "airshow" but what can I do. Managed well with old faithful anyways (1005) which has kept me in the air all these years

-=>Raja.

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06-28-2009 05:00 AM
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jrockstuart
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I feel your pain, Raja. Hang in there.

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06-28-2009 05:41 AM
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CJames
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If you havent paid in full for the job he did yet, you have no worries

I'm allways right 97% of the time..............So who cares about the other 4%??
06-28-2009 05:54 AM
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Excalibur
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That totally sucks Raj. Make sure he makes things right - I know you'll be back in the air in no time. Good luck.

Xcal

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06-28-2009 06:19 AM
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zorba
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

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Raja, I feel for you bro.
I know what is like to crash a machine while flying, but crash it when is on the ground? painfull.

I wont jump on your case But you can't really blame the contractor.
Things do happen. Who would know that the doors would fall?

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I came home, opened the garage door, and the damn doors somehow fell either from wind or garage door vibration and landed right on my Spectra-g.

It must be very windy where you are even with the garage doors closed and your house must shake alot where the garage doors open and close for those doors to fall.

I think that the contractor would realize that there could be a slight chanse that the doors would fall, he wouldn't not put them there.

Why would you move your machines in the garage when you knew that he'd be working there. Why not put them in the house.

I don't say you are the blame nor he.
Things just happen.
freak accident.
I am in the renovation business and I've seen alot of accidents happen but you can't really blame anyone.

I wish you luck Raj.

Best regards
Bill

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06-28-2009 01:06 PM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

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Doors

I figured out why the doors fell yesterday after he left. He leaned them on a cardboard box that was thin and holding a kick plate for my sink cabinet, which was on top of the sink cabinets box. Its a thin light box that is 10 feet long. The weight of the doors pushed the box back until it rested on the garage door. He didn't realize this I'm assuming while he was doing it as he walked out back through the house and out the front door as he doesn't have the remote to close the door from outside. When I came home and opened the door, the door pushed back on the box and tipped the doors over.

In any case, you and I would think and know not to put doors somewhere so that if God forbid they fall they could crash on model planes or helicopters. That's just common sense. Whenever you lead a door against something, you always think to yourself is it stable and can it slide out and fall. The garage is big enough and the right wall of the garage is all open to lean doors against it if he wanted. Why choose to lean them in the middle of the garage with models "underneath them" in their way if they fall behooves me. Maybe as modelers we are particular and think too much, and perhaps as ordinary folks you never think of these things.

However, if you're a contractor and you show carefulness and thought when you work in a client's home you earn that persons respect and will definately get hired again. A good example is the painter. He is maticulous, he takes care of all the things that I see that he thinks are not right and fixes them. He puts cloths and is very careful not to damage anything in the finished room and cleans up when he's done. Compare him to the carpenter who comes in, opens packages, drops things on my finished floor, goes to install baseboard, and drags his nail gun and hammer on my hardwood. There are scratches there on it here and there from that. I was there watching him when he was installing the floor - there is no reason to put the hammer or tools on the finished floor when you're working and you have bare floor to put stuff on. I told him don't do this, but a few minutes later its back to the same routine. Little things like that bug me and when the painter came back he had to repair the painted walls and repaint them due to dings, dirty hand marks and such. Don't get me wrong he does great framing, but for finish work he is a little rough on the edges he should just pay attention to detail and not cause damage to existing work that was done while trying to do his.

Knowing how much those planes are worth (and he asked me out of curiosity when he first saw them) if it was me working in someone's house I'd stay away from them and not lean doors so they can fall on them. Accidents can happen but if you think about it you can prevent them too.

-=>Raja.

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06-28-2009 03:00 PM
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GyroFreak
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I also play what I call the 'What If' game on everything. It saves a lot of hassle repairing things. My son in law has all kinds of minor accidents because he just does what is convenient at the time. It helps on my motorcycle rides, every car I can see even in front, back or side I challenge my mind for an escape route with 'what if'. When a car turns off and I didn't see him turn my mind goes into a panic "Where is he ?".

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06-28-2009 03:08 PM
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zorba
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I agree with you Raja.
But then again...
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Compare him to the carpenter who comes in, opens packages, drops things on my finished floor, goes to install baseboard, and drags his nail gun and hammer on my hardwood. There are scratches there on it here and there from that.
You knew he was careless and sloppy why would you leave your models in the garage? That is my question. (I ask again) Why not in the house till he was done.
You are both the blame on this one and I'm not taking sides.

Hope you get something out of this.

Cheers
PS I love my jewel generator.

Never too old to learn...and never too young to do it again. And the ground always wins..
06-28-2009 04:41 PM
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rbort
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To answer your question

No I did not know he was careless. Its not the carpenter who was in the garage but the general contractor that I paid for the job. He's a very nice guy and that's why I hired him, he hires out the carpenter and painter, etc. and does some things himself. I know he didn't do it on purpose, but he just didn't think of the "what if" scenario and could have used plenty of other space to lean doors away from models to avoid the situation.

Anyway what's done is done. I have to repair it and he'll pay me for the parts. I managed to get through the entire funfly weekend with just one heli logging 18 flights on it so as it turns out I didn't need any backup machine.

Glad you love the Jewel, that thing is always a pleasure and relief to have on-board for me. Make yourself a solar panel charger for you TX and you'll be set with everything - I made a post about that for folks who might be interested.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, G26 3D Max, 2195+ flights
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06-28-2009 11:19 PM
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jrockstuart
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Make yourself a solar panel charger for you TX and you'll be set with everything - I made a post about that for folks who might be interested.


I would like to see this post and see your invention.

However, I highly recommend the lipo in the transmitter trick. I charge my transmitter every 20 hours or so, and I could probably go a month without charging if I really pushed it.

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06-29-2009 12:42 AM
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neverhappy
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here's the link for the tx charger:

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t522332p1/

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06-29-2009 12:56 AM
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jrockstuart
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Thanks. I like this idea.

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06-29-2009 01:56 AM
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what_the_helli
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mishaps caused by others suck, especially when they could have been avoided...hope all works out well

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06-29-2009 02:27 AM
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