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e-Align T-REX 250-450-500-600 > T-REX 450 450 V2 vs PRO

contact303
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Well here are my 2 cent

I had to sell up recently because of money issues
Now I been bought a Trex450 PRO COMBO and This got me flying ...I still have my Spektrum set

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I would have never considered a Align heli just 1 Year ago but beggars cant be choosers

Anyway, The build went super smooth and the Heli flies !!!
unnlike ALL other Align 450 I have ever seen/tried

I swore to myself to never ever buy a Align heli because of "v1 V2 let the user PAY US and test "attitude ..
Away with that now ...I build the thing and followed Finless vids to setup and the heli is super smooth ...
The Design, Head and Frame are almost perfect ...
It flys BIG and not like any other 450 i tried ..
I am just a sportflyer but the difference is HUGE
Just funny How Trex crowd laught at my Zoom with torque tube a few years back and now all Hype that thang ...:O)
ANyway back to the topic ..
I have to stand up here and admit Align might of made a decent heli with this 450 Pro ...

very userfriendly WELL made and painless setup ...BUT
And here is the deal ...Full of confidence in this little bugger after only 5 flights in 2 days I went out today and tried to have some fun 2 mins into second battery and the tail servo just stops ...Piros like hell i hit throttle cut and kinda land it ..pfeee only flybar slightly bend ..
And there we go - Align electrics?? is it as bad as I read ???
I done some research on their electrics and didnt find very encouraging reports ...mmmhhh
In the end you get what you pay for

I noticed the ESC doent recognise the TX sometimes at startup and the battery needs to be connected again . I done the rebind according to Finless to avoid the Gyro startup failure as well ...So there is no excusse for this
Anyhow i didnt think anything of it ..but really this should not happen. Nothing is broke as such just that 'China feel' and use to these electronics , Specially the esc . I just thing its all a bit iffy ..and slowly as funds allow i will throw out all that cheap electronic crap . Futaba Tail servo and Jazz i need fast
Back at home on the bench ..Ohh what goddy the servo just starts and behaves normal. On the field behind my house just 5 mins earlier I tested 3 or 4 times . No Movement on servo at all.
HOW THE HELL AM I EVER AGONNA TRUST that thing again ???
So well done on the 450 pro desing and build quality ...Electroncis ..well I dont trust it one bit now ...

06-26-2009 08:56 PM

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Gravitysucks
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Like everyone is saying the pro is incredible! My main theory on why the pro is so much better is the direct drive tail. The belted 450 suffers from tail problems because (this is my theory) when you give the tail increased input it slows down the rpms which then causes the tail to blow out. The 450pro's tail just doesn't blow out like the earlier ones.

There are other improvements of course, but I think the the torque tube provides the biggest advantage. Align is now selling a torque tube upgrade for the V2's. I would like to see some feedback on that to find out if that really helps the V2's. I suspect it will make a huge difference.

If anyone has done this, please give us a report.

06-26-2009 09:40 PM

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contact303
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Yes its Increadible,,,,
My next tale
Today I went out again and Yes another Great story

Upper jesus Bolt ripped off in mid flight ...I landed safely . I 1st thoguht the pinion was lsipping but No its the jesus Bold Ripped off on both sides ...Great Quality again from Align ..
I dont trust ther electroncs at all anymore and now we have Hardware failure in the Frame WOOHOOO
I am such an idiot for getting a Trex
Avoided this BS make for years and now Iam sitting here with not even 10 flights old Pro that I dont trust as far as I can throw it ..
RUBBISH
I say Get a rave 3d ..Thats surely what Iam gonna do next
Just looking at the screws all over the heli ./.They are all very small I mean look at the size of the Jesus Bold ..I thought it lookes flimsy while building but didnt think further about it

My 1st and LAST aling heli Ever ..PROMISE ..What a gullible idiot , i been I only get what I deserve ..Buy rubbish buy twice

I knew it but still ..I though after years Maybe they have it sorted ..No they dont .. Watch this effin space ..How long till V2 ..LOL I am such an idiot for falling for it
Rubbish electronics and the frame I dont trust either anymore ..Wooohhooo great fun this.
All becaue of money problems this year . Had to sell my evo and got this as a sort of present to be able to at least fly a bit this year .

I dont 3d I am only a sport flyer so How the EFFIN heck the jesus bolt hold when u guys 3d the heli I dont understand ..
WEll END OF RANT ..
I am so ppissed of at thids heli ..more so at myself for beeing a gullible idiot and buying one ..
....I just wish I saved my money , for years I resisted this BS , now no money and stuck with this ...Worst of all I sold my evo

Pics ...
the piece left inside the mainshaft ...Both sides ripped of ????
Next pic shows it fixed
Do i trust it ..Of course not ..IMHO Its a piece of Align **** !

Also notice how I shortend the tail servo lead and dont run it inside the frame ..well at least this way the servo initialises at startup ...mostly ..Align Electronics ..Wooohooo

06-29-2009 12:58 PM

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JamesV
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sounds to me like you over tightened the Jesus bolt and this stressed the little screw. I have don the same thing on my Beam, but its not a hardware issue, its a matter of fatigue. Just my opinion though

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06-29-2009 03:15 PM

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ken22golf
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Location: Bridge City, TX

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contact303, J-bolt failure was probably from overtightening (like Raptorfewl said) or it got damaged in the first incident (or a combination of both) IMO. But either way, sorry to hear about your Pro troubles.

I've got 114 flights (5 1/2 minutes each of 3400 RPM w/ 4S power) on my Pro already and have had zero issues. The head is still tight, nothing has come loose or failed.

I am not using any of the align electronics though because I prefer Futaba, Hitec, or JR servos. I just don't trust the align servos. I do trust their ESC, motor, and gyro though. I really recommend the GP750 actually, it holds just as good as a Spartan.

06-29-2009 06:32 PM

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pschurter
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I second what ken22 says. I had built my pro about a week ago, and this weekend I maiden-flew her. AWESOME PERFORMANCE!!! I've had TRexes from the days of a 450XL (~2005) and also have a V2 with a Spartan and a Scorpion motor. I wanted to try the Pro with everything stock, and I have to say I am very impressed. In comparison with the V2, the tail is (even more)rock solid and the new head just works wonderfully, i.e. it doesn't wobble during tic-tocs. Nothing bad to say about the Align gyro, it seems to be just as good as the Spartan, but the feeling is different. The new motor isn't as powerful as the Scorpion -6, but definitely enough for 3D.

Good flight, good night!

06-30-2009 02:10 AM

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myaces
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You guys are killing me, I'm going to have to order up one of these kits soon to check it out.

What batteries are you guys going with? Even though I'm running 4S on the V2 it sounds like as long as I have 30C packs there isn't really a need to run 4S on the pro?

~Team Collective Mayhem

07-01-2009 01:52 AM

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Gravitysucks
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I have no idea what the fuss is about having to use 30C packs. I'm using 25C packs and it's more than enough.

07-01-2009 03:45 AM

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PC12DRVR
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I have a thunder power 25C and a 30C and a castle pheonix 35 on the stock motor and the 30C definitely has a bit more pop when you go full collective either way, and the "jesus bolt" problem was probably overtightening so make that a third. Fly the hell outta mine over 40 flights and not a thing has broken or fallen off, great heli, great perfomance.

07-01-2009 04:26 AM

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myaces
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The jesus bolt on the V2 is probably the same way. I never torque that one down since it's so small, just put some loctite on the nut and you are good to go.

What packs are you guys using? I've been using flightpower but mine are sucking pretty bad now. I don't know how many flights I have on them but it's probably time to try some new batteries out.

~Team Collective Mayhem

07-01-2009 05:00 AM

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contact303
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Like I said we can all find excusses

I overtightend this forgot that ..made this mistake maybe missed this ..but that isnt the case ..
Staninles Steel Screws will all be used ONLY from now on ..
Wonder when align releases the stainless upgrade screw pack for the 450 Pro
Noway I ll learned my lesseon !

07-02-2009 07:36 AM

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The man
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Was the Jesus bolt suppose to be a shanked screw?

07-02-2009 01:48 PM

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pschurter
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Stainless Steel bolts are usually softer than high grade regular bolts...

Good flight, good night!

07-02-2009 02:17 PM

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ken22golf
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Location: Bridge City, TX

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Stainless Steel bolts are usually softer than high grade regular bolts...

Yes, it's softer, but then it won't be as brittle right?

07-02-2009 10:01 PM

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Gravitysucks
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LOL, so the Align bolts are "high grade".

I've snapped the stainless bolts just as easy as the regular ones.

I agree with the over tightening and not changing/checking after a crash. That's mostly the culprit.

contact303: I'm sorry you're having such a hard time with your 450pro.

Mine was really flying really well until I stuffed it about a week ago (purely my fault). I must say, they are not as easy to repair as the V2's. I blew the little nylon gear in the servo's, so because I can't just buy the nylon gear, I'm going to change them out for the HS-5065's that I've had waiting on the sidelines. That whole servo mounting deal, even though it's much better, is much harder to straighten out after a crash.

07-02-2009 10:43 PM

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Trex450newbee
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450 V2 versus Pro

Ok, got my pro up today. Here are my comparisons. The stock V2 has stock align blades, my V3 tail modified V2 has Thunder Power blades, so I will have to swap them out with some stock Aligns to get a real feel for the two. That said the modified V2 doing light 3D is slightly more responsive than the stock V2. Less bogging while pyroing than stock V2. Used Thunder Power Pro Lite's for the batteries. My Pro with pitch set to +/- 13 versus +/- 12 for the V2's plus the new motor make for a VERY responsive bird. The new Align gyro GP720 holds rock solid and is very easy to set up compared to my Spartan's. No bogging when doing stall turns to inverted patterns. Getting pitch on the Pro was a little tricky versus the V2's. On the Pro have to use transmitter more to get desired pitch. I think this is because of the new head design. Will do more flights this weekend and post again.

Got my Pro dialed in this weekend and it is by far the most responsive of my three 450's. No bogging and very fast and smooth responce from gyro and servo's. Flew agressive 3D on Thunder Power Pro Lites and pulled out 1590mAh (4:30 flight time). Changed out the Thunder Power blades for stock Align blades on torque tube V2. There is a slight difference from stock V2 but I don't know if it is worth the $65.00 upgrade price.

Pro's and Con"s

450 Pro Pro's - Very agile. Lots of power. Smooth. Torque Tube tail rotor assembly install is MUCH better and faster than the V2 tail rotor assembly install.
450 Pro Con's - Small frame. Servo's are not the easiest to install.

SE V2 with Torque Tube Pro's and Con's - Fairly easy install with exception of elevator servo horn location.

Stock 450 SE V2 Pro's and Con's - I think enough has been written and reviewed about the V2.