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e-E-Flite Blade MSR CP CX MCX 400-3D > Bladezilla V40 Flies!
 
 
Mitchilito
Senior Heliman
Location: Morehead City, NC USA

The saga continues. . .

As you might recall this machine started out as a bone-stock Blade CP Plus that my brother sent me in the mail. That was a BUNCH of versions ago. This pic shows "V2" with the crappy MicroHeli head (this is the oldest pic I could find):



Here's the V40 particulars:

Horizon bling head, MicroHeli frame, MicroHeli swash, Century Hummingbird Elite main gear with autorotation clutch and shortened HARD mainshaft (cool), HDX300 outrunner main with 10t pinion, HK outrunner tail with machined tail motor mount (SUH-weeeet), Castle Creations Phoenix 25 main controller, Thunderbird-6 tail controller (EDIT: the 6 died - installed a T-Bird 9), Futaba 401 gyro, Spektrum reciever, and Spektrum DSP75 digital servos programmed to the "Heli Tailrotor" mode (fastested mode). The only stock things left on this monster are the carbon tail boom (shortened 1 inch) and the landing gear.

Here's the MicroHeli frame with the Century maingear and shaft. There are several reasons I went to this gear/shaft setup: the stock shafts are BUTTER soft and stock gears are whimpy and the tooth form S*CKS. This Century gear runs soooo much smoother and is much beefier:


I changed out the Thunderbird 18 main controller for the Phoenix because I needed the extra programming the Phoenix provides: I set it up with a slow initial spool up (T-bird doesn't have that option) and a soft lipo cutoff at 10.5 volts. Here's a shot of the piggybacked CC controllers on the special front mount:



I tried the Feigao with the Futaba 401 but it wasn't quite up to handling the HDX300's torque. The Feigao is old - maybe a new one would work better but I went ahead and put the little HK outrunner back on the tail with a GWS 4x3. It works GREAT with the 401 - much better than the Feigao:



I only got to fly it once this morning but it's working fantastic and it is nothing less than a total MONSTER. Soon I'll be pulling the HDX off for a Neumotor Razor 350 but until then the HDX is rocking pretty good! BTW: I weighed it without the battery and it weights 10 grams more than the bone stock Blade CP V2 - and that's with the boat anchor HDX300. The razor will knock off that 10 grams for basically equal weight. Not bad for a machine with STELLAR performance.




In case you were wondering: I'm having FUN:



perfection is the death of creation
05-31-2009 07:58 PM
 
 
DougsRC
rrProfessor
Location: Mass.

Cool photos Mitch. Just to clarify something on the HDX300 motors, there are 4 different versions. The one you got Mitch is the one with a large can weighing in at 57 grams. I don't know why they made it bigger but the 3800 I got a year or so ago weighs 34 grams. The other versions the 4200 KV and 4500 KV weigh 34 grams. Just figured I'd mention it.
05-31-2009 08:25 PM
 
 
dieselracer
Senior Heliman
Location: vista CA

Wow.. that looks heavy....

Blade CPP from hell. powered by NEU, T600 12S
05-31-2009 10:57 PM
 
 
Cope
Veteran
Location: South Lake Tahoe CA

Well done, Nice write up and picks.

Fear is the little death,The mind killer. I will allow my fear to pass through me.Only I will remain
05-31-2009 11:54 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

I was looking at this set-up and, having the same motor with the same 10t pinion as you Mitch, I was thinking 'looks a little heavy'. Then I read diesel's comment. You beat me to it diesel. It's not going to be as nimble as the 'buildem' models that's for sure, but with the right battery it could be really nice. What battery are you using Mitch? It's looks like it could be the Rhino we discussed (1050mAh 30C).
06-01-2009 05:12 AM
 
 
helidevil
Veteran
Location: ME

get a video!

Its not a crash, its an upgrade opertunity!
06-01-2009 12:12 PM
 
 
Mitchilito
Senior Heliman
Location: Morehead City, NC USA

Weight

I'll be using 1050ma Zippys on this heli.

With the HDX it IS heavy but with a razor it's not going to be substantially heavier than the plastic framed model. This is because the weight of the Feigao tail motor is twice as heavy as my HK outrunner (9g's vice 18g's).

Is the "all plastic" version lighter? Probably. How much, I don't know. Maybe when I get as good as 'Diesel' and 'Buildum' I'll notice the difference but at my skill level it's unlikey I'll notice!!

Videos to follow. . . . .

perfection is the death of creation
06-01-2009 09:31 PM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

Great job Mitch...

Rick
06-02-2009 12:07 AM
 
 
Mitchilito
Senior Heliman
Location: Morehead City, NC USA

Thanks Gyronut!

I will say this: there is a reason for every single component on this version of Bladezilla. Here's my thinking:

Horizon metal Head: Because I just couldn't stand one more plastic linkage ball. AND the grips kept breaking where the levers attach.

Bling swash: plastic ball issue.

Outrunner tail motor: weight.

Metal frame: first and foremost - bolt on servos. I LOVE that.

Thunderbird tail motor controller: because it's the ONLY one I know of that works.

Phoenix main controller: because I HAD to have the slow spool-up option and the Thunderbird doesnt' support that program.

Futaba 401: because it is a futaba 401.

You know the one thing that Bladezilla fails MISERABLY at is cost-effectiveness. I got to thinking about it and I realized to my horror that I have over $500 bucks now sunk into this crazy little machine!!

That's just WRONG.

perfection is the death of creation
06-02-2009 10:41 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

I figured the cost of buildem's and diesel's at just about $500 each too. The problem with ours (yours and mine) is that they won't fly like the Campos brothers' machines. Not that we could fly like them either, but theirs are dialed in.
06-03-2009 01:54 AM
 
 
Mitchilito
Senior Heliman
Location: Morehead City, NC USA

Don't be so sure!

Bob,
It's true that setup and weight reduction are important in a little machine like this but IMHO the BIGGEST reason Buidem and Diesel's blades fly so well is because of pilot proficency.

Give me a some time and I might get there yet!

perfection is the death of creation
06-03-2009 06:10 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

Me too, I hope.
06-03-2009 08:26 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

I am starting to realize how specifically engineered the Campos' brothers blades really are. They are not either like yours Mitch or mine. As well designed and built as I thought their blades were before I tried to build one, I think that even I underestimated the success of their buildem's effort. He's maybe as good as micro at making these things do what he wants them to do. I don't want to take anything away from buildem's or diesel's skills either. I just can't see any of my BCPPs flying like theirs no matter who the pilot is.
06-09-2009 04:43 AM
 
 
Mitchilito
Senior Heliman
Location: Morehead City, NC USA

I think you are selling yourself short.

They pretty much have spelled out the recipe, havent' they? I'm just having too much fun to follow it!!

perfection is the death of creation
06-09-2009 01:23 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

Yea but to have developed the recipe was the difficult part.
06-09-2009 02:57 PM
 
 
dieselracer
Senior Heliman
Location: vista CA

For the ones that were wondering the weight on ours. Mine came in at 244Grams and my brothers is 238Grams with no lipo.

Blade CPP from hell. powered by NEU, T600 12S
06-10-2009 04:47 AM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

Thanks diesel, Mitch was interested in the weight of your blades. I got my razor 350 motor and bench tested it before I install it. That little sucker got hot, not warm, when I ran it for the first time. I went from zero to 100% throttle but not for more than 20 or 30 seconds at a time. Do you run a heat sink? If so where do you get one? I can't see how you can run 100 % throttle for 4 minutes and not burn that motor up. Is there a secret to keeping it cool?
06-10-2009 05:12 AM
 
 
dieselracer
Senior Heliman
Location: vista CA

On a hard flight we saw maybe 130. Just stick it in the bird. The magnets are good for 200F. Fly it and get a temp reading with a temp gun. I have noticed somtimes things feel hotter then they really are.

Blade CPP from hell. powered by NEU, T600 12S
06-10-2009 05:26 AM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Veteran
Location: downey, ca., usa

Ok I'll just put it in and fly it. I noticed that the motor windings are really heavy gauge wire. You guys don't use heat sinks?
06-10-2009 05:42 AM
 
 
Buildem336
Heliman
Location: Vista Ca

no we dont use any heatsinks.

Bob who? I see you are from Ca how far are you from San Diego?



This Blade cp does not fly good because I am a good pilot it flys good because its set up right I would not be able to fly this heli the way I do if the heli was not capable for example when I do really fast reverse flight the tail holds perfect its not me flying the tail. When I am doing tic tocs this heli has massive power its unbogable so I can tic toc it all day long if I want to so the heli still has to be capable.

Mitchilito there is nothing wrong with spending 500 dollars on a Blade cp if you like it and are having fun why not I did and dont regret spending any money on it.
06-10-2009 06:30 AM
 
 
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