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borneobear
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Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

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A client of mine has started experimenting his own AP rig using a home-made Slow Stick recently.
He e-mailed me his AP pictures (to gloat? ) and they were pretty damn decent.
I've probably lost him as a client, while he's already started distributing his AP portfolio (below).
Since his cost is much much lower, his AP fees are peanuts compared to mine.

Which come backs to the question, what can our $ $$,$$$.$$ helis do that a Slow Stick (which is considerably cheaper) can't?
05-27-2009 02:21 AM
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Flightlutions
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There is no way a slow stick is going to carry a RED, Canon 5D MkII, HVX200 or any other production quality HD cam.

http://flightlutions.com
05-27-2009 02:40 AM
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roasted_eagle92
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Location: Montreal, Quebec - Canada

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a heli can stand still (hover)...
05-27-2009 03:00 AM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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Try doing A/P with a Slow Stick in 20 MPH wind or more.
I have a Slow Stick set up for A/P, I like it but it is useless in any real wind. High wind is in no short supply here in Florida
05-27-2009 03:10 AM
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cranester
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Location: Bogota, Colombia

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Try a 360 pano with a slowstick,

Juan Crane
05-27-2009 03:18 AM
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nocontrol1
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Location: Melbourne, FL, USA

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Even the higher end P&S cameras may be a bit much weight for a SStick.

Rob D.
05-27-2009 03:35 AM
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Envision
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Location: MI

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While I agree with all of the above comments... In those places with steady wind, a kite can hover.

While helis can carry much heavier cameras as mentioned above, it would take a serious helicopter to produce anything usable from them (video).

So, besides panos and wind, the biggest limit is the quality of the camera it can carry, but technology is catching up. A 2 meter sailplane can handle the wind and carry the same amount of weight, look more professional too. Stronger wind? add more ballast. On RCG, somewhere in the electric sailplane section there is a twin boom sailplane that can carry 5 small p&s cameras.

A mast is also another option. Great for twilight photos which none of the above can do.

Keep in mind, it takes experience and a great 'eye' to produce quality photos from any platform.

As far as being cheaper than you, keep your quality up. I've had a lot of new businesses come in and try to take over (with my other business). I have the customer base, quality products and service. I've even sent them the PITA customers and the cheapo's. Keep them busy with the crap work so you can make the real money.

Troy
05-27-2009 03:44 AM
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Helicam USA
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana USA

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Im currently setting up a plane for AP and flying FPV> but it could neevver replace my helis because it cant carry a DSLR or shoot panos or hover or takeoff from tight places or land on a boat which sometimes I do fly over water. A little plane is good though for surveying puposes flying from waypoint to waypoint and general photos. Thats what im setting one up for.
05-27-2009 03:51 AM
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Wingman77
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Location: Pulaski TN US

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planks would sure be useless for my photography because less than 10% of the time I have a half way decent place to land a plank

34.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot
05-27-2009 03:54 AM
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Mr Boombastic
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Location: NSW Downunder

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Tic Toc

Blade Thrashing Lessons: Enrol Here
05-27-2009 09:41 AM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

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I think there are two separate factors at work here...

Is he charging an unrealistically low price? This has quite distinct from his choice of SS vs. a heli. He could just as easily be a hobbyist who isn't in it for the money, but "for the love of it", in which case his pricing will not reflect the robust assessment that those doing is for a serious business would.

I personally do not subscribe to the view that price should vary depending on the R/C platform used to capture the image. This in turn leads me to the view that in many cases, the extra expense of a big $$$ heli is very hard to justify in pure business terms, when other platforms, such as a mast or SS can meet most AP needs and have a much better ROI. Of course, there is no doubt a personal sense of achievement involved on putting the heli to use for AP, but I often read on RR about people spending huge sums which must surely require a very long break-even term if at all.

Perhaps the upcoming new FAA regulations will discourage him from continuing...

Tony Stott
05-27-2009 11:21 AM
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trackhead
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A heli can break your bank quicker than a slow stick.
05-27-2009 12:16 PM
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dredevil
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A lot of these comments are incorrect. I can vertically take off and land my plank out of my hand with a 3 pound payload. Although I can’t carry a HD cam I can shoot panos…Did you ever hear of a Torque Roll?
05-27-2009 12:42 PM
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iflybyu77
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A lot of these comments are incorrect. I can vertically take off and land my plank out of my hand with a 3 pound payload. Although I can’t carry a HD cam I can shoot panos…Did you ever hear of a Torque Roll?

Now this I've got to see. A 3 lb payload on a fixed wing a/c capable of hovering? I would guess the plane would have to be at least 6 lbs total to carry a load half it's weight, then a power system capable of over 6lbs of thrust. And then hand catch it, right? And have it set up so the camera has unobstructed sight lines? Ok. No I'm not giving you grief.. just see this as a factual stretch..

Believe me, I'm a 3D'er, and have numerous fixed wing planes and could thread a needle with most of them...
05-27-2009 02:38 PM
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cranester
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A heli can break your bank quicker than a slow stick.

Not really, I have never lost a camera while flying a heli (stills), I crashed two cameras while experimenting with a slowstick a while back due to gusts of wind.

Juan Crane
05-27-2009 03:00 PM
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iflybyu77
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I think the keyword is "could" break your bank. Back in '05 I did the "could".. learned a lot since then!
05-27-2009 03:19 PM
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trackhead
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Not really, I have never lost a camera while flying a heli (stills), I crashed two cameras while experimenting with a slowstick a while back due to gusts of wind.


A heli, whether you crash it or not, cost thousands more than a slowstick. And even after that purchase, you 'spend' another thousand hours building, tweaking, and tweaking some more.
05-27-2009 04:38 PM
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rerazor
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But you can make thousands more in revenue. One pano job pays for most of a heli anyways. Now video takes hours and hours of tweaking etc..

Plus, chicks dig helicopters.

Robert
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05-27-2009 04:54 PM
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Burnt Offering
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I have done 95% of my AP with a Slow Stick. If it is set up and modded correctly it is a fantastic platform for AP. I have never not been able to do a shoot because of wind or any other reason. I have done aerials when it has been -15 degrees. Something I would never try with my heli. In other words my clients have all said "as soon as the weather cooperates". As a result, I just don't fly in high winds. I have crashed on landings but never lost or damaged any equipment bad enough that it couldn't be used again. The cost to replce a Slow Stick? $21.00 Doesn't a screw on a heli cost that much? I have done shoots that would have been impossible for a heli. Also, I have never not been able to do a shoot because of no where to land. I have done AP for corporations that deal in hundreds of millions and all have said how fantastic the pictures were. My profits went through the roof as my overhead went way down. I am now moving to a plane of my own design and built with my own hot wire foam cutter. The STOL capabilities of this plane are amazing by any standard. I won't say I can land anywhere a heli can, but just about. I can pick any spot I want to land. And that with a 8 ounce camera, all electronics, and an AP 2000i. You can check it out here.

http://www.pcmdak.com/pcmdvideos.html

I fly FPV and can get long distances away from my target location to get the entire property in the shot. I could go on and on. The heli and the Slow Stick both have their qualities. I don't claim to know it all, I just choose better reliablity, higher profits, and the best part, no stress.

Kevo

American by Birth, Alaskan by the grace of God!!
05-27-2009 04:55 PM
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KarbonBird
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Interesting commentary Burnt ...

I have been considering fixed wing for AP of late. One question I have though is how good it is for video work. Do you have some sample footage available to demonstrate this capability?

KB
05-28-2009 12:56 AM
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