RR Rated M For Mature
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 448 ONLINE 18 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]2565 viewsPOST REPLY
Boca Bearings . XHELI.COM . Autography FlightPower

.
.
Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Where is the line drawn - objects seperating from your heli
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I've seen people drop 1 gallon jugs full of water off of their 90 size heli from so high up their heli was a dot in the sky. People drop parachuters, remote control and just float where they feel like it etc... If the helicopter is going at speed before they release the parachuter, the parachuter also has that forward momentum. Yet you're not allowed to fire something off of your heli. I feel a light weight cardboard projectile is a lot less dangerous than a 1 gallon jug of water filled to the brim and dropped from a few thousand feet...

How does the AMA seperate what's up to their rules and regulations and what's not? I doubt the AMA will want to cover a liability case in which someone dropped a gallon bottle of water from 2k feet and it hit someone. I'd think you could make that fall on pilot negligence and not just an accident.. but if there is no rule stating you can't do that, then does that mean it's allowed?

I always thought it would be cool to make little mini rockets, maybe water pressure based, or Co2 based, or something non-flamable, but as far as I'm aware, no projectiles are allowed to be fired from your heli, even if it weighs a whole 10oz. Yet you can drop a 3.5 gallon jug of water? I've seen this occur at even AMA sanctioned events, and no doubt it's cool to feel the ground shake when that jug hits the ground, but it's hard to tell the exact location of the helicopter when it's that high in the air, and it could very well be over your heads.

Any thoughts? Are there rules now that exist within the AMA charter that prohibit dropping items like that from that height? Or is that kind of stuff still going on? Anyone seen or heard of anyone getting injured from such actions?
05-24-2009 04:15 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: WI

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		AMA Safety Code- General, #8


"I will not operate model aircraft carrying ... any device, which propels a projectile of any kind."


8. I will not operate model aircraft carrying pyrotechnic devices which explode or burn, or any device, which propels a projectile of any kind.
Exceptions include Free Flight fuses or devices that burn producing smoke and are securely attached to the model aircraft during flight. Rocket motors up to a G-series size may be used, provided they remain firmly attached to the model aircraft during flight. Model rockets may be flown in accordance with the National Model Rocketry Safety Code; however, they may not be launched from model aircraft. Officially designated AMAAir Show Teams (AST) are authorized to use devices and practices as defined within the Air Show Advisory Committee Document.

3 years is enough time wasted. Taking a break for a while.
05-24-2009 04:22 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		That's what I'm saying.. they don't allow you to "propel a projectile". It doesn't say anything about dropping.. It's not against AMA regs to drop a parachuter man. What I'm getting at is there is nothing stating you can or can't drop something like a 1 gallon jug of water.. which to me seems much more dangerous than propelling a fake cardboard lightweight missile...
05-24-2009 04:29 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: M ca usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		honestly I never heard of anyone being so stupid as to lift a gallon jug of water or anything else up like that and dropping it. So i you have experienced that your the first I ever heard of. Besides if you dont like something you can tell it to the AMA and maybe they will include it into thier rules when they do a rewrite on them to update them. For years I have dropped candy out of a plane for kids at events it is completely safe to do so as long as you have another runway to land on. So droping some things if fine but a gallon of water is shear ignorance. water weighs 8 pounds per gallon.
05-24-2009 02:16 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Dr_Doom2
Senior Heliman
Location: Clarksburg, WV

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		If this was at an AMA sanctioned club. The safety officers should be fired!! Even if it falls in a "loophole" of the AMA regs you need to have some common sense and good judgement about these activities.
05-24-2009 08:17 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
GyroFreak
Elite Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 52' N 81° 16' W

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Quote 
Yet you can drop a 3.5 gallon jug of water?

That would be 28 lbs, must be one hellof a big bird to lift that.

Bacteria They're the only culture some men have
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is opti
05-24-2009 08:24 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: M ca usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Quote 
That would be 28 lbs, must be one hellof a big bird to lift that
LOL I would love to see a heli lift a 3.5 gallon jug of water up lol.
05-24-2009 08:48 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Noooo.. a 1 gallon jug.. I for some reason was thinking it was 3.5 lbs. Apparently it is more.
05-24-2009 08:56 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE  
 
 
GyroFreak
Elite Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 52' N 81° 16' W

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Correction noted, but got a good laugh anyway.

Bacteria They're the only culture some men have
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is opti
05-24-2009 09:04 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
whirlyspud
Key Veteran
Location: USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I've seen it done a few times. Most times I did not care. They let it go far enough away to not be much danger. Also saw a "top pilot everyone here knows of" drop a gallon of fuel of a brand he did not care for. Pissed all the local guys that care for the field off. Myself included.

Mike
05-24-2009 09:20 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: M ca usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Quote 
Also saw a "top pilot everyone here knows of" drop a gallon of fuel of a brand he did not care for. Pissed all the local guys that care for the field off. Myself included
I would hope it would tick off people. If someone did that at the field they would be removed at once and never allowed back. Glad this "top" pilot aint around here. We have enough idiots here like garett morrison etc that tick off everyone.
05-24-2009 11:52 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
whirlyspud
Key Veteran
Location: USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Chances are he has flown somewhere around you Mutt. I won't name names because it will just give the nutswingers something to bitch about. Maybe the dropping water and fuel was a spur of the moment thing. I was not impressed.

Mike
05-25-2009 12:16 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
duceduc
Key Veteran
Location: Saitama-Ken, Japan

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Regardless if it is not specify in the AMA guidelines, common sense, it is dangerous to be lifting a plastic jug filled with water.

Duc S
Do It! Do It!™
AMA:REVOMIX
RCK:24005615-01
05-25-2009 01:18 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Markerbeacon
Key Veteran
Location: N.E. Iowa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I saw it done at night. It was really cool, and he was over crop land so there was no danger to anything except the corn or soybeans. He took a few cyalume sticks, broke them open and emptied the contents in to a gallon jug of water. The whole jug glowed. Then he lifted it up really high. I could barely make it out when he dropped it, then he raced the jug down. Of course he let the jug win I don't see a problem with it when done where safety is still the first thing on your mind. It was impressive to see how much weight a 90 can lift.

My 2 cents...

-Mark
05-25-2009 02:44 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		That's what was done at my air field.. the thing is, when the heli is way up high, a dot in the sky, how do you have a good enough orientation, unless you take the heli way far away to tell if the bottle is going to drop 100 feet from you or 10 feet from you? They hung it off of the landing gear of the heli with a string, and when the heli got way up there, the guy just did a fast piro and the bottle came off.
05-25-2009 02:47 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Seablade
Key Veteran
Location: floating around

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Quote 
That would be 28 lbs, must be one hellof a big bird to lift that.

LOL I would love to see a heli lift a 3.5 gallon jug of water up lol.

well...here it is.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t482914p1/

"Vini, Vidi, Velcro"
05-28-2009 09:42 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: M ca usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		6 liters is no wheres close to 3.5 gallons try again.
05-28-2009 10:08 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Seablade
Key Veteran
Location: floating around

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		 now it's really gone off topic. Sorry to destroy the thread.

However, your right. The total weight of the heli and 6 liters plus the mounting for it came out to more then the weight of 3.5 gallons of water...
Other then that I think the starting post was corrected to only being a one gallon jug and not a 3.5 gallon jug of water...anything else you want to add?

To bring it back, no amount of legislation is going to stop people from dropping things from a heli for "fun" or publicity if they can do it.
Who doesn't like things when they go splat!

"Vini, Vidi, Velcro"
05-29-2009 04:57 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Quandumphone
Senior Heliman
Location: Yuma, AZ

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Just to give an idea of how this applies to real airplanes, I quoted the CFR for that below. As in that case, I don't think you'll find any restriction for model aircraft except in the general case where hazards to person or property exist (negligence).

If it's an AMA field, you might have some capability to stop it. However, if it is not a hazard, theres probably no real reason to stop it unless you just don't like it and that's probably not a good enough reason.


Quote 
Sec. 91.15 Dropping objects.

No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
05-29-2009 05:36 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
BigguyOz
Key Veteran
Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Australian regs cover it be banning "dropping or discharging" objects

Tony Stott
05-29-2009 11:56 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]2565 viewsPOST REPLY
Advantage Hobby . Revolution Models . CarbonXtreme

.
.
Safety - RC Helis are not toys > Where is the line drawn - objects seperating from your heli
 Print TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Sunday, November 22 - 6:39 am - Copyright © 2000 - 2009 runryder.com | email | link to rr | START HERE | NF