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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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I am just saying if there are spotters on the payroll they could be making the pilots job easier by being the cameraperson.
Its not difficult at all to do the shots single pilot its just looks to others like the guy in the pic above when there is no need.It looks proffesional to have a crew there rather than one person running around trying to do everything.In my case the cameraman is an actual photographer so that only adds to the final products perfection.




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Is it illegal to do RC AP commercially in the U.S.A.?

Well it is against the rules to do AP for money or reimbursment of any kind, but some dont consider that "illegal."
07-01-2009 11:04 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

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Must be you got it all right and we got it all wrong.
I am glad to hear that you have got it down so well, must be proud of yourself.
My pics in my gallery speak for themselves.

Sounds like to took offence!
07-02-2009 08:54 AM
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denizcan
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Location: Ankara - Turkey

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Why solo AP? Because it is very difficult to find a good camera operator here.. Some guys are good at photography but they are not used to use sticks; some are good in sticks but they are not good at photography. If you find both, they have full time job and want to spend weekends with their family..

And the most difficult part with my citizens: they hate exercising.. That's why till I find the correct one, I plan solo..
07-02-2009 11:29 AM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		There's not enough money for more than one when taking stills.
07-02-2009 11:37 PM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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There's not enough money for more than one when taking stills.

Charge more.Customers realize that a proffesional outfit demands proffesional pay.
07-02-2009 11:58 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		There's a limit to everything.

If you get a lot of shots/locations in one day then it would be viable but it rarely happens like that.
07-03-2009 09:36 AM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I am a full scale pilot also and I have access to a 172,182 and a 210 that my boss owns.I have brought a photographer up in these aircraft,as well as my wife, to get aerial photo's and inflight aircraft to aircraft photos.I know the safety issue would be a problem if I was trying to compose pictures and fly the aircraft while maintaining a see and avoid safety regime.

If you cant charge enough money to do something safely then you have to ask yourself is it worth doing it at all.
07-03-2009 11:11 AM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		We're not talking full size here! That's one benifit of the model helicopter, it cost less than full size and gets far better results. So are you saying that people that do solo RC AP are unsafe?

I have a friend that does fullsize stills photography solo in a C172 - He's very good, very professional, very skillful and he does not have to share his money

I fly full size rotary which obviously it not viable for stills.
07-03-2009 11:26 AM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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So are you saying that people that do solo RC AP are unsafe?

I am saying they are less safe than if they had a spotter/cameraperson.

THere are shots that a fullscale can get that RC can not and some RC can get that a fullscale cannot.I charge more for RC than fullscale because you simply cannot get the shots that RC can.

There is an important rule in fullscale flying to see and avoid and it is very difficult if not impossible to see and avoid if one eye is closed and the other is looking through an eye piece.What if your buddy is doing AP and someone else is doing solo fullscale AP at the same or in close proximity of each other and dont know it.They are both looking through their cameras and they run into each other and pieces of them rain down from the sky on to their customers or their property.
Very similar circumstances with RC AP.but not only are you looking out for birds and other aircraft in the air while flying and composing a photo,you must keep your LZ clear of people,animals,vehicles etc. etc.while flying.A solo operation also has to conted with people approaching asking questions etc.So if you are a solo operation,I say yes that is unsafe or atleast more unsafe than with 2 or more people.


Answer this,why is it "not viable" to fly a rotorywing solo and do AP?
07-03-2009 01:59 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

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I am saying they are less safe than if they had a spotter/cameraperson.
Totally unjustifable!!!!

For stills work a fullsize is extremely limited particularly fixed wing.

My 'buddy' is only looking through the eye piece for a seconds or two at a time. He will not be taking pictures on a 'poor vis' day so he can see if someone else is operating nearby just like any VFR pilot, he is speaking to ATC who can tell him if there is a return nearby and he is squawking a code on transponder, sh1t people fly around IMC in small planes with minimal nav aids.

When flying my RC cameraship I'm certainly not looking out for birds (well not the feathered variety), believe it or not the have a natural instinct not to fly into any material object in the sky let alone some alien looking objects thrashing it's nuts off, making a hell of a din and pouring out smoke, it's that survival instinct thing! So I'm happy that birds can take care of them selves. As for fullsize a/c, fortunately they are not silent and not below 500' (and legally I'm not above 400 feet) unless they are landing or experiencing an emergency, if I'm within an ATZ I have to inform ATC so that takes care of that.

As for my thoughts on a contaminated LZ - read my earlier post. If I am approached by someone asking questions whilst I am airborne I do not feel obliged or even try to answer their questions, but I do just ask them to step aside whilst I land then I'll chat. If an RC pilot can't speak a few words when flying then he should not even have his 'B' certificate.

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Answer this,why is it "not viable" to fly a rotory wing solo and do AP?
Now I did say STILLS - Apart from the vibrations level in the hover or slow flight, do you know what the cost per hour is? You can get in closer than a fixed wing but it all gets a bit antisocial.

Answer this: Is commercial RC AP legal in the USA?
07-03-2009 07:42 PM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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Answer this: Is commercial RC AP legal in the USA?

You dont read much do you,I answered this very question several posts ago.

Fullscale fixed wing for stills is actually not a problem.There are several companies doing that very thing.



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Totally unjustifable!!!!

So you think it is safer to fly solo?



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For stills work a fullsize is extremely limited particularly fixed wing.

Why is it limited.As I, said many are doing that very same thing.The fullscale option doesnt allow for close up and personal shots but the full scale can do very well with the wide shots for larger properties.This guy uses ONLY fullscale single engine aircraft and look through his gallery at some of the shots.Some of his shots from the fullscale look better than many doing ap with toys.

http://www.aerialimagesinc.com/

Here is one of his pics from a fullscale.What more do ya need?He gets 10 or so addresses,waits for a good day and flys around using GPS to get the all the shots.
You know how fast he can get around and get several shots of each property?Very fast.In one hour he can get what would take an RC a whole day.Again the shots wont be as intimate but the they wouldnt cost as much either.I get any of the planes I listed above for free,but for $150 you can likely get 10 different sites in an hour if you map it out correctly.
07-03-2009 08:05 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		He's go to go back and get the exposure right! That'll screw the profit margin.
07-04-2009 12:50 AM
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Lunesta
Senior Heliman
Location: FL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I am sure he got paid for that one and besides,ever hear of Photoshop?
Then again on his next run around the county he can get take it again.He flies a route several times a week he can work that property back in.Imagine if you didnt get the shot and had to drive 45 minutes one way to get back out to that one job.
07-04-2009 02:56 AM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Get a room you two

Tony Stott
07-04-2009 03:05 AM
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gjestico
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Location: Vancouver, B.C.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		That photo shows the typically compressed perspective typical of most shots from a full size plane. The long telephoto lenses used to frame a subject from 1000+ feet cause this. Backgrounds are much closer than they appear. How far does the front driveway/turn around look to be from the waterfront ? not far .
RC AP would shoot from much closer, 200 Feet ?. The wide lenses typically used on RC would enhance the size of the property and push out the perspective of the pavement closeness.
It depends what you want to do with the pic. Do you just want to show thats its there, on the water and its got X number of windows ? or do you want to showcase a multi-million dollar property and convey the grandness of it ? depends on what your customer wants. Or what you can sell them on
07-04-2009 03:17 AM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I do both types of AP,I know the differences thank you.
07-04-2009 03:27 AM
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aramsdell
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Location: Sanford, Maine

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Lunesta, Why did you call RCAP aircraft toys? Take mine and you'll be up for grand larceny and mine is only a 'lower-middle-class-bird' like myself.
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Some of his shots from the fullscale look better than many doing ap with toys.
Got this with my toy today, solo, and I didn't even break a sweat. Altitude, approximately 50 feet ASL. Couldn't get this from a full scale. You'd need to shoot from such a low angle you'd be 2 miles away. With all the moisture in the air today it would be quite fuzzy.

Should've bought a sim. Got a bucket of used blades!
07-04-2009 05:43 AM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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Got this with my toy today, solo, and I didn't even break a sweat.

You called yours a toy .
Expensive toy?yes Who said toys are cheap?
You dont have to tell me what these 'toys' are capable of,I told you I do RC and Fullscale AP.I know very well what each are capable of.The fact is more people still do aerial photography with fulscale than with toys.Most people I come in contact with still have never heard of doing AP with a toy helicopter they only know about AP with fullscale.

Heck at 50 feet you could do that with a pole.I also use a 60 foot pole cam.
07-04-2009 12:36 PM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Most people I know have a better attitude..... I hope you are nice to your customers.

Tony Stott
07-04-2009 12:47 PM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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Most people I know have a better attitude..... I hope you are nice to your customers.

Tell me about it,I have never have seen such an argumentative group as the people on this forum.I state my opinion and people jump all over me.
Is it is wrong to have a different opinion that someone else?
07-04-2009 12:48 PM
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