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davejoyce2000
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Location: USA

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I'm interested in setting up my heli into a Aerial Photography and Video machine. How difficult is it to fly the heli and take pictures at the same time by just the pilot(one man team)? Will there be a lot of missed shots and retaking of the pictures due to having to concentrate on flying and sustaining a hover to align the camera with the subject to take the picture?

What do you use as the most accurate way of seeing what the camera actually see throught the lens to align the shot? If you just mount the camera on the heli and hover over the subject to take the picture, wouldn't you miss the subject because you can't see exactly if your camera is pointing at the subject or not? I heard VR goggles is one way to do it. Are there any other better ways besides this method? I'm looking for the best method so I can fly the heli and take the picture at the same time without needing a partner to monitor the camera while I fly the heli.
05-19-2009 05:08 PM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

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I think you are going to need to do a lot of reading in this forum to get a fuller understanding, as you have raised so many different aspects.

To help you, you might like to search on "AP2000", "Helicommand", "Eyetops" as a start

Tony Stott
05-19-2009 05:51 PM
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HawkEyeMedia
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas

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What heli are you planning on using?
What camera are you going to use?
What transmitter do you currently use?(need to know how many channels and if it's 2.4GHZ or not)
What type of camera mount do you plan on using?
Front mount? Underslung?

Easier to provide opinions and suggestions when more of the blanks are filled in.

Mark LaBoyteaux
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05-19-2009 07:49 PM
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efliernz
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Location: Hamilton, New Zealand

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Don't underestimate the usefullness of a second person - especially when flying in a built-up area.

They are your:
1) safety / preflight checklist reader
2) question answerer to watching by-standers
3) Traffic watcher (ground and air)
4) Insect swatter

So they might as well take photos too so you can concentrate on flying in a difficult environment

I have equipped my machine to swap the the camera control to my 9CH radio for solo shooting (with eyetops) at flyins and fun days too. The slider controls on the JR DSX9 are great...

Pete, Trex500, Trex600E, Streched 600, DSX9, DX7, Low-volt alarms - check the gallery for my alarms
05-19-2009 11:07 PM
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rerazor
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Location: Mich.

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I would recommend having a second person controlling the camera/mount and viewing the live video down link of the camera.

If shooting solo then you will have to have some type of flight stabilizer. They can range from $400 - $15k

Of course, you could just set the camera to rattle off pictures and you just fly "blind" and hope some of the pictures are decent.

Robert
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05-19-2009 11:31 PM
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denizcan
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Location: Ankara - Turkey

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I fly by FPV using glasses and the head tracker I designed. I am planning to control pitch and roll of the camera by the tracker and fly the heli by FPV. I think by this way I can take good photos..
06-29-2009 11:24 AM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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Someone posted this photo as a referance to what it is like doing solo A/P. Couldn't agree more


06-29-2009 10:44 PM
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flyboy
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Location: North America

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I fly by FPV using glasses and the head tracker I designed. I am planning to control pitch and roll of the camera by the tracker and fly the heli by FPV. I think by this way I can take good photos..

This sounds like a poor idea........
06-29-2009 11:49 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

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davejoyce,

One man and no stabilization is fine for stills but movie is a completely different ball game and really is not possible with only one person.
06-30-2009 01:14 AM
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denizcan
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Location: Ankara - Turkey

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What's the drawback? When I fly by FPV, it is really smooth using my head tracker.

Soon we will see.
06-30-2009 09:36 AM
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ki-gas
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No drawback just more technology to go wrong and break in the event of a crash, more unnecessary weight too - very important for the electric boys.

Why make things complicated??
06-30-2009 06:49 PM
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ki-gas
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wjw,

What is it you find so taxing about solo AP?
06-30-2009 11:39 PM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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Almost all my A/P is solo and it requires a LOT of attention and focus. Setting up your shot through the video glasses while flying, keeping correct atlitude, fighting cross winds, positioning the heli for different angle shots. There is a lot going on at one time.
Then lets throw in the neighbor next to the house you are shooting wanting to know what you are doing, demanding an answer while you are flying. Or the kids on the block that think it's so cool and trying to keep them from running into your landing zone. The stray dog that wants to chase your heli as you land.
I actually had a guy in a Hummer pull right in front of me while I was shooting a property and start to ask me all kinds of stupid questions.
I have learned to make it difficult for people to distract me.
On jobs where I know there will be people, I bring a spotter.
I did a video job for the city, where I had a professional camera man and 3 spotters.
Oh yea, lets talk about how much fun it is to do a fully loaded forced auto while focusing your attention through the video glasses to line up a shot. In the last 5 years, I have done 4 of them. Thank God, no real damage to report.
It's not impossible, most of us on this forum do it all the time.
That does not make it easy or unlike the one-man-band.
07-01-2009 12:54 AM
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ki-gas
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As I said 'Video' is a totally different ball game so lets stick to the stills which I believe was more what the original question was about and also what you were originally talking about.

A good machine with the correct gyro/tail servo should not be a fight to fly in wind and if it is that windy were it is a fight then you should not be flying for safety reasons, particularly in populated areas. The pilot should not find it hard work positioning the helicopter either.

In the UK it is legal to do AP commercially but we are bound to CAA regulations. By the sounds of it you may be flying in areas that would be illegal here!
If you are operating that close to neighbours it would be professional to have already liaised with them and explained fully what you are going to do. In the UK you should be flying from land of which you have the owners permission so kids should not be getting in your landing zone, if the land is public land then again professionalism would suggest that you have additional personnel to control the public, all this would be apparent after doing your location safety report prior to the flight.

I've been operating A/P for 6 years, there is an awful lot of paperwork and yes the regs. make a lot of urban jobs not possible but the point I was making is that one person can do the majority of stills work alone. I have only once had to go to a height where I was just on the edge of my comfort zone, if all your work were like this then a simple Helicommand would suffice.

The paperwork is a bind but the flying is a walk in the park. No video goggles, no stabilisation. As for forced autos, it all happens so quickly you don't have time to think, that why we practice a lot and pre plan your emergancy DZ prior to each flight, like 'nose in hovering' it should be second nature, there's no time to think, if you do you'll get in wrong.

If you are feeling like the man in the ‘One Man Band’ picture when you are doing AP then you are getting something wrong.
07-01-2009 02:08 PM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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Must be you got it all right and we got it all wrong.
I am glad to hear that you have got it down so well, must be proud of yourself.
My pics in my gallery speak for themselves.
07-01-2009 10:13 PM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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I think what ki-gas is saying is that it is unsafe to be trying to do everything while ensuring no dogs are running up to you or kids approaching or whatever while flying.Not to mention the regs of being aware of other aircraft in the air.
Its too much to be responsible for when your also flying a dangerous expensive piece of machinery.
A spotter is a good idea and if your going to have a spotter that person could be sighting the shot and clicking the camera.
I guess thats not an option if the price is not enough to even pay one person.
07-01-2009 10:28 PM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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While I do agree that some regs would be a step in the right direction. I just hope they don't over do it.
07-01-2009 10:39 PM
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Lunesta
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Location: FL

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I am quite sure the regs will be requiring atleast a designated spotter to keep the area clear and advise the pilot of anything that he might need to know while flying.That should be a no brainer anyhow but I think the lower cost of a single-person operation overshadows the improved safety factor of having two people on site.Pilot and cameraman/spotter.

I have done it both ways and I know there is no way that someone can safely keep the area clear while trying to compose a shot safely.Safely being the key word.
Sure nothing may ever happen but is it worth whatever people are charging to have a heli crash and cause property damage,personal injury,or even death.

Its just like driving with a cellphone,anyone can do it but is it a wise decision?
07-01-2009 10:46 PM
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wjw
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Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

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I am all for having a spotter, I often have and will continue to use them.

Lunesta, I agree 100%
I may have misunderstood, When I do A/P with a spotter, I still consider it solo A/P. No camera man.
I start my orignal post with I do most of my A/P solo
Mid way down I state that I bring spotters when I know there will be people around.
Now honestly if I am shooting a 20 acre field in the middle of nowhere, which I do a fair amount of.
It's just me and the cows
07-01-2009 10:51 PM
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ki-gas
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Location: All over Europe, mainly England

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Is it illegal to do RC AP commercially in the U.S.A.?
07-01-2009 11:04 PM
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