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pwkpete
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Hmmm, did something change in the flight mode you are using? (It's happened to me due to my mucking around with the programming)
04-10-2009 09:24 PM
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hornet dave
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john - it's the hyperion DS09GMD. I just did some hops in the driveway, so far the gyro doesn't want to cooperate as the tail is a little vague in a hover. But the little logitec 2100's have always been finnicky to set up.

Brian - I don't know what to say, that's just plain weird. Maybe you guys are just getting more used to the cyclic rate? Check your headspeed if you can. Are you using a governor or one of the throttle modes on the ESC?

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04-10-2009 09:26 PM
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brianr058
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That's what I was thinking (maybe getting used to the cyclics) but I know it was faster.

pete,I'm gonna look @ that again. Thanks guys!

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04-10-2009 09:34 PM
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hornet dave
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here's one that's been bugging me for a while. How do you pronounce 'Ricco'?

Is it like rick - o? or reek - o?

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04-11-2009 01:24 AM
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pwkpete
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Think: "Ricko (SP?) Suave"

At least that was my method... I guess many had problems with Maxir too!
04-11-2009 01:27 AM
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gorn
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Kai_Shiden
That video was excellent, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Normally I hate music in video's, but ya gotta love Evanescence.

These Maxirs are Torque Tube tail drive right?
Is the TT fragile at all? Please be honest.
Parts costs?
Metal head and tail available?

Cheers

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-11-2009 05:20 AM
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hornet dave
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It's a torque tube tail (carbon rod, technically). The conical pinion at the front of the tail boom is the only tail gear that really strips in a mishap, and it can be replaced relatively easily and cheaply. Motor pinions are the other intentional weak link, they will strip in a crash if the motor stays on but it will save the main gear. Plastic parts are cheap - the conical tail drive pinions are two for $2. Landing gear skids are like $1. Tail booms are $10 - 15 depending if you get black or anodized red or blue. Carbon blades are $45, fiberglass blades are $35, plastics are.. ? cheaper! but I haven't looked at the price lately.

You can actually rub the tail blades against a little grass without stripping gears. The conical pinion is sensitive to gear mesh, so if the mast collar slips a little (allowing the main gear to lower and opening up the mesh with the conical pinion) you will likely strip a pinion. The conical pinions are just one of those things where you keep a few spares at all times. Keep a couple motor pinions on hand, too.

The tail is plastic and I don't think there's an aluminum version available at all, but metal headblocks are available. I don't know if the new Ricco's come with the metal headblock, I have the older Maxir SE and my kit did come with a metal headblock. They work good box stock, no need to really upgrade anything on the heli.

Here's a nice current thread on the Ricco:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=945304

And here's the 4 year old "The Great Big Maxir Thread" which is still going on strong:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324411

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04-11-2009 02:56 PM
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gorn
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Thanks very much Dave.
I'll have some evening reading to do now

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-11-2009 05:14 PM
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hornet dave
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DOH! No videos from me, I stuffed the maxir at the indoor session last saturday. The damage was only a set of blades and a flybar

Anyway, while looking over the heli last night, I think I found a tail vibration which was causing my gyro to act weird. I didn't put enough glue onto the pins on the tail rotor pitch slider assembly, and one pin moved out a little compared to the other, so the tail rotor blades were out of track.

I've got some new batteries coming - i think my old TP 1320's are way past their prime, so hopefully the new batteries will give me some good power. At $20 a pop it's hard not to try the new batts! 3 years ago it was $50 a pack.

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04-13-2009 05:27 PM
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brianr058
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What type of batts are you getting for $20

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04-13-2009 06:51 PM
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pwkpete
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Saw that Dave... I had some bad luck myself last weekend... Couldn't seem to keep anything in one piece


Brian, Desire 1300's
04-13-2009 07:29 PM
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hornet dave
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I've been looking at what it would take to convert my maxir SE to the ricco frames. As far as I can tell, I would need:

1) The frames
2) The servo mounts for the front two servos
3) the mount for the swash anti-rotation hoop (I could cut down a maxir front servo mount for this one)
4) maybe a few screws

Then, of course, I would have to get a flashy new Ricco canopy. Did I miss anything?

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04-13-2009 08:52 PM
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pwkpete
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Nope that's it. (1 longer servo rod as well, but you don't need the LAHeli parts for that. Y0464 I think)

BTW, the new skids and supports are nice as well. Tail boxes are now pinned too. New tail hub with set screw is nice as well...
04-13-2009 08:57 PM
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hornet dave
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I've had a chance to fly the desire-power packs. Yup, my old TP's are well past their prime, the new packs are MUCH more lively. Now my headspeed is so much higher that I think I need to finally install that extra support for the driveshaft in the tail boom.

Now I've finally tried the fiberglass blades, and they seem to be just fine - a little less responsive than the carbons, but still fun. I tried the new plastic 3D paddles, but I'm back to the Blade CP paddles as my current favorite. They're a little more responsive than the ricco 3D paddles, and seem a little less affected in the wind. However, you need Blade CP flybars to make it work.

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04-27-2009 10:54 PM
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hornet dave
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I had a friend shoot some video yesterday - we're pretty new at this so it leaves a little to be desired but i figured what the heck i'll try to get it on youtube anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_8E37riig

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05-08-2009 12:48 PM
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pwkpete
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Not bad for a first vid, great flying!
05-08-2009 02:40 PM
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jmiceli11
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Who shot that video? Looks like they were all over the place.;-)
05-08-2009 10:51 PM
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hornet dave
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It was Todd that shot the video. Now I found out that the camera shoots at 30 FPS so that adds to the jumpiness. Unfortunately, the crack moves I threw in didn't show up well, and you couldn't hear it at all over the nitro heli in the background. doh!

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05-10-2009 02:49 PM
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probicha
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Maxir is the best!

Hey Hornet Dave...I'm a big maxir fan too. This helicopter with a axi
2208/20 + 15 t pignon + cc 10 esc rocks so much.

I have a question for you...you told that you are using the blade cp paddle and you love them better than the rico 3d paddle? I suppose that you removed the weights that normally comes on the the blade cp paddle (4 weghts in total). Is it the stock paddle that comes from the stock blade cp pro or eflite made a 3d version?

Moreover, I saw on your pictures that you put the newer rico tail blades. I just order one set and I smiled when I saw those tinny fins. They are a lot smaller than the stock ones. As I usually need more tail authority, I'm not shure about those. However, they look a lot more rigid than my stock plastic ones. Maybe because they are smaller, I will be able to increase my gyro gain (I can't go over 30% gain with actual setup).

Honnestly, the only flaw to this helicopter is that I feel the tail a little underpowered. I run at 1550 RPM with the new main gear version (faster tail rpm). I have a csm 560 gyro (version 3) with a digital tail servo (futaba s3154). Do you have any suggestion. I wish you will tell me to put those new tail blades and it will solve my problem

Except for the lack of tail authority, It's a dam stable little rocket. Here is a little story that happened to me and my maxir couple of weeks ago :

I use a pad to land the helicopter. it's a 1,5m X 1,5m board that weight maybe 2-3 pounds. I usually use this as a wind meter. When the angle of the board in the wind is about 75+ degres and flipping a side to another, it's normally time to put the maxir in the box and take out the bigger gas helicopter (well some guys put their gas on the table or car too). Couple week ago, I went to the park to show my maxir to a guy (he wanted to buy one). That day the carpet was flipping a little to much...anyway as a proud guy, I told him that is was no big deal for the maxir and it could take bigger punch than than (even though I was pretty nervous and wasn't really shure if everythig would be ok). I put a rock on my landing board to keep it on the ground. THe guy was still looking at me and telling me that I donesn't have to do it. But anyway it was test TIME. I put the maxir face to the wind and take off in a foward flight against the wind. That flight, I was only doing back and forth travel in the wind direction. Man I was speach less. Imagine full throttle and 12 degrees pitch to climb upwind at maybe 15-20km/h max. At every time I turn downwind the maxir dissapered so quickly in the back ground. it was a lightning acceleration and I was screeaming every time. I finally let the helicopter in a hoover at 1 meter from the ground in the wind gusts. I was proud of myself and the maxir. Facing the wind, was just staying there. The guy finally bought one right away!

This helicopter is a dam 3d rocket, cheep battery, easy to fix and well designed. The only reason why I would fly a bigger one is that you can see it further. Yes, it's a small...but so much fun.

I crashed it today. ending up costing me only one carbon blade and a pignon.

My next one probably will be the sniper...or sjm 430. Any comments about the new sniper?
07-07-2009 04:14 AM
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hornet dave
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Hi Probicha

Sorry I haven't checked into this thread in a while. I am using the normal Blade CP paddles (I believe they are the same as the Blade CP Pro paddles) with the black Blade CP flybar. I tried the stainless steel Blade CP Pro flybar but it is smaller in diameter and didn't fit well. I use no flybar weights.

I think your headspeed measurement is incorrect. Most 3D pilots are flying the maxir at 2500-2800 rpm.

The tail should work good in fast backwards flight. Mine does backwards hurricanes easily, and also tailslides. I would try the J2S tail blades. I can't tell you if they will work any better for you or not, but it is worth a try. Some tail rotor blades work better with certain gyro/servo combinations, it's just a matter of experimenting to see what works. Also make sure the gyro is not getting vibrations, that usually makes tail rotor performance suffer. Right now I am using the carbon tail rotor blades, and they don't seem to perform any better on my heli than the J2S blades. They seem to vibrate less, but they wag too easily it seems resulting in a gain setting lower than what the helicopter needs. It's time for me to balance the J2S blades on the tail hub and give them a try again.

-Dave

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07-09-2009 03:42 PM
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