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Melnic
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Location: Columbia, MD,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Just got back from flying at lunch.
I don't think anyone LIKES the wind. Well maybe slope soarers.

I fly at a couple places.
Back yard shielded by trees which can knock 25mph winds down to like 5mph. I fly the Gaui EP100 and HBK2 back there when I do fly.
Local Ball field. It is shielded by trees and there is a 20' drop from the parking lot to it so as long as you are mostly hovering or slow FF, it's good for the HBK2 up to 15mph for me cause I know it's going to be 8mph or less there.
My local AMA field. This place is up on a hill top so if Weather channel says 10mph, it will be 15mph with gusts there. We have a wind gauge that is on the shelter roof.

Here is how I fly at the AMA field, I try to bring multiple aircraft and fly based on the wind.
5mph or less : EP100, HBK2, 450 sized helis
5-10mph : 450 sized helis, TT e550 or Raptor .30
10mph+ : TTe550 or Raptor .30

I have fixed wing electrics I fly up to 10mph winds plus a big 100"+ Gas plane that I will fly in 20mph+ winds and it barely feels a thing.

I know some will consider this wimpy but part of flying I enjoy is relaxing and precision hovering. I can't really do that in the wind.
Today it was 15mph so I flew the TT e550 but mostly Forward flight working on making the perfect rolls and loops straight and symetrical.

What's your wind limits and how do you adjust? (or do you adjust at all?)
03-18-2009 06:58 PM
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TJinGuy
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Location: Socorro, NM - USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I have a couple places I fly. The first is the local park and it is pretty open, so if the weather says 10mph winds, they will likely be 10mph. There are lots of obstacles there like soccer goal posts, so it is not the most friendly place anyways. Then there is the college athletic field. That is many acres of open grass with a few obstacles but it has the benefit of being totally surrounded by big trees. So up to about 30ft the wind is usually knocked down pretty well. Last is the local club field and like Mel, it is on the top of a hill. It can be almost calm at my house but 10mph winds up there.

As to how much wind, well that is not an easy thing to say cause I am terrible at judging the wind speed. Plus it really depends on the bird.

King: I can fly, or at least hover, in up to about 15mph winds with no problems with the King. I have flown in worse though and have never crashed from the wind. I did fly it in what I would guess was 25mph winds with 30+ gusts once but it was nearly out of my hands. The little heli only has so much performance and that much wind surpasses it at times. The King is really only fun in 0-3mph I would say.

Rex: I really see no amount of wind that would stop me from at least hovering with the Rex. I have flown it in upwards of 15mph but not many times. I feel very secure when flying it and just not scared of wind at all. That doesn't mean I like flying in it but rather it doesn't stop me. The Rex is still fun in about 7mph winds.

Protos: This is the one that is not fun in the wind. It is very powerful and yet light. It is not too bad once it is in the air but getting it off the ground and back down again is very tough. It has a tendency to blow over once the blades get spun up a little bit. Plus it floats on a breeze so easy that it is hard to land. I would say I am only comfortable flying in up to 10mph winds with it and anything over 5mph takes the fun away.

- Chris

TJinTech
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03-18-2009 09:54 PM
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abc123
Heliman
Location: va, usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My honeybee king gets pushed around violently when there is a 5mph wind, where I used to live I could never get a day where the weather was perfect. Now for my trex 450, it is much more better and feels solid even in strong winds. Granted I still am limited to a few less maneuvers when it's windy. I also hate how when it's windy, the helicopter tracks terribly against the wind.
03-18-2009 10:50 PM
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fenderstrat
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Location: Aston,Pa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I am in the same situation basically.I have my yard and a few local ball fields i fly at.I really have never taken note of exact wind speeds,usually if I fly a pack and i am not flying,just fighting with the heli,struggling to keep it in one spot,I'll pack it in.if I had to guess maybe 15-20mph gusts.

you really have to be careful with gusts,then can make the heli lose altitude quick.its the same as flying in the cold for me,if I'm not having fun and enjoying myself,whats the point?

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03-18-2009 11:14 PM
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rccarguy
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Location: Boston MA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		HBK2 and Trex, 10 mph max, same for the Zoom 450 nitro, the little ones just get pushed around too much for it to be enjoyable, and the sudden altitude changes can be challenging.

I've flown the Raptor 50 and XCell in 20+ mph winds with gusts over 25, made things rather interesting. Hovering 20 feet in the air facing into the wind, the exhaust smoke was going straight back as though in FFF, moving forward took a big tilt forward and a lot of collective. As soon as a turnaround starts heli just flips right around and takes off downwind like a formula 1 car

That particular day several regulars showed up at the field, got out of their car and immediately decided to not even bother getting their gear out, too windy. I figure if I wait for favorable wind conditions I won't be getting all that much flying in, one of the joys of living close to the ocean

Once I get the feel for what the wind is doing I actually have fun trying to be as smooth and consistant as possible. The only time it's not all that much fun is when the wind is constantly shifting direction, then it becomes a constant battle for control and I get worn down quickly just trying to keep from crashing. I guess I've built up a tolerance for wind, unless it's blowing really hard at the house, I'll still head over to the field in hopes of getting a couple flights in on a weekend morning...

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03-19-2009 02:18 AM
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Rogerm069
Senior Heliman
Location: Downingtowm, PA USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'd like to see Norsman comment on this topic! He flew his MT in my front yard and the winds were a good 20mph plus, I think he will say if the tree tops arent bend over he flies!

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03-19-2009 12:36 PM
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Gyronut
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Location: Martinsville In.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Nothing higher than 15 for me or its just not enjoyable.

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03-20-2009 03:23 PM
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JuanRodriguez
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Location: Rochester, New York

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		When I get a brown stain on my shorts, I know there was too much wind !!!
03-20-2009 08:39 PM
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vortechZ230
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Location: Michigan, U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Early morning or late evening, when it is calm........

Blue skies, Light Winds!
03-21-2009 12:42 AM
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cstoneman
Senior Heliman
Location: Colorado

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Without wind, everyone would fly 450's.

I tried FAI competition with a .30 and didn't do so well.

After spending a ton on a .90, it was a lot better. The heavy X-cell gasser was even better yet.

The good part of wind, is that it is excellent for practice.

I just started flying the little 450 size, and it is pretty freaky to hover in the wind. But then after flying one, Flying the gasser almost seems like I could set the radio down, take a nap, and the gasser would still be hovering when I woke up.

The little 450's are actually pretty cool, but I don't expect to impress anyone with my skills over the FAI box. "I have to hover over that flag? That's a joke right?"
03-21-2009 01:28 AM
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trackemdown
Senior Heliman
Location: Central ,VA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My BEE King II does not like the wind. Even with a full metal head, I have crash this thing so many times. It's just to light for any wind.

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03-21-2009 02:38 PM
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trackemdown
Senior Heliman
Location: Central ,VA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My old Shuttle is a bit different. Light winds it's realativily stable but I don't push it because parts are becoming hard to find. Good thing I bought a couple of junk ones for spare parts.

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03-21-2009 02:40 PM
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racin06
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Location: Indianapolis, IN

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My BEE King II does not like the wind. Even with a full metal head, I have crash this thing so many times. It's just to light for any wind.

I don't believe a full metal head has any impact on how a heli will perform in the wind. It's all about the pilot's skill. My HBK2 does very well in the wind with plastic head parts .

03-21-2009 02:48 PM
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Melnic
Key Veteran
Location: Columbia, MD,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Metal is not necessarily the benifit to flying in the wind but if your metal head has less slop then the plastic head, that's where the benifit comes from. Slop in the wind will mess up your hover stability. My stock plastic head had way too much slop for me.

Racin, As you show in your video, more headspeed helps alot w/ the wind. Sounds like you are at 3000+ rpms there.

cstoneman, your like me a bit. I started w/ a Shuttle Zx back in '92.
But my path diverged after a couple years.
AMA competitions sucked me into an Xcel 60. Kept modding it and adjusting it and so forth. But before I knew it, I was not doing anything but the Class III maneuvers. Go to obsessed about how well I was competing and so I stopped doing it and sold everything for a Raptor .30. Then Kid #1 came, then #2, then #3, then finally #4. 450 electrics got me back into the hobby 2 years ago.
03-21-2009 03:14 PM
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tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Depends on the craft for me I cant really say what the winds are only guess wind down low is way different than 50-100ft high. I flew my foamie Sukoi last night for the first time down low the winds were high enough it did not have the power to go upwind. My alpha high wing trainer when it starts waddling through the air I quit about the same winds with my TREX450 also it starts to bob up and down a couple of feet I stop so it dont slam into the ground. And now days like today I could only fly my raptor30 and the club guys were flying 120 size planes. I have not had the raptor in a wind I couldnt handle yet I was flying low and slow once with wind that made your hair stand up and it was ballooning a foot or so.

So I guess I dont limit myself at all until I get uncomfortable with what I am doing.

Canton MO backyard flying club
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03-21-2009 07:05 PM
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TJinGuy
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Location: Socorro, NM - USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Sorry racin but there is on way that was 8-15mph winds. mfcrash and I flew in what I would guess was 3-5mph with constant gusts up to 10-15. We were both flying our 450s and when a 10mph gust hits they bob up and down several feet in forward flight. Plus you can hear the tail blades fighting the gusts. To me that looked like 1-2mph with 5mph gusts.

I am trying to get myself more accustomed to knowing what the winds are in terms of speed. I usually guess high but am getting closer

- Chris

TJinTech
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03-21-2009 08:31 PM
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racin06
Key Veteran
Location: Indianapolis, IN

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Well, it looks like I'll have to show the results from my handheld anemometer for now on, just to prove the wind speed . 8-15mph is what was measured by my anemometer just before the flight. As a matter of fact, look at the local wind data for that day from a weather station that is only 1/3 mile from my flying location. The above flight was at 2pm. The data shows winds at 5mph gusting to 13mph. So, it's very conceivable that I could measure 8-15mph at my flying location.
03-21-2009 08:47 PM
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tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I still gots to get me an anemometer those are cool.

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The World Meteorological Organization has set the international standard height for wind measurement devices at 10 meters (33 feet) above ground, with no obstructions at or above this level.



I just use the redneck wind measurement system beaufort wind scale:
I know I posted this link before but it's been used for years.

Oh and small trees are beginning to sway here today.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/beaufort.html

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
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03-21-2009 10:48 PM
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Melnic
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Location: Columbia, MD,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Racin, what's the headspeed of your HBK2 you think?
03-22-2009 03:45 AM
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Gregor99
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Location: Western Wa

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My HBK2 does very well in the wind with plastic head parts .
Mine too. I run a heavier pack and higher headspeed, that seem to make it track more consistantly. But I don't enjoy flying in the wind, or working on new stuff when its getting tossed around abit.

Worst wind I've flown in was probably about 20mph sustained. It was fairly constant and not as bad as the gusty stuff. I flew with the wind to my back doing figure eights. The heli kept getting pushed far far away. After 6 minutes of that I was done. No crashes, but it just wasn't fun.

Canton MO backyard flying club
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03-22-2009 05:06 AM
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