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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Align Gas Conversion fever
 
 
Fixit
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Location: UK

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For those of you wanting a kit how about this one

http://www.helibug.com/HB7.htm

I’ve just had a quick look on the build link for this kit and I can see a few things I would defiantly change on it but it looks a good place to start for those who can’t make there own frames.

I only like to fly gassed up
07-05-2009 06:25 PM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

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For those of you wanting a kit how about this one

http://www.helibug.com/HB7.htm

I’ve just had a quick look on the build link for this kit and I can see a few things I would defiantly change on it but it looks a good place to start for those who can’t make there own frames.

Thank you Fixit....

I am the designer of this kit...and took a lot of care and did my very best to bring the best quality possible.
here is the very very first video i have uploaded to youtube....it was made on my first of the kit with the first start of the engine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gebNP8F-CKA

i would really like to know what you have in your mind...so i can enhance it.

Really appriciate your input.

Thanks again and Best Regards
07-16-2009 04:05 AM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		fixit,

let me re-phrase what i said before a bit more clearly....

This design is done with a lot of research and computer simulations...your input will help me see what you have in your mind...
not that i will change my design...coz this design is perfect and flys excellent...
but, it will help me to see your perspective as a senior gasser user.

lets see what you got in your mind

Best Regards
07-16-2009 11:18 PM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi aliazhar
Hey I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with your kit in fact I think you've done a great job with it and that’s why I put your link up for people to both see it and buy it if they like what they see, when I said I would make some changes its not a criticism about your design its just my personal choice after building a few Gassers and having to make improvements, the changes I had in mind would be a heavier clutch although it looks like you’ve maid some changes there since I looked, the next change would be on the fan shroud mounting plate and the third would be a third bearing on the main shaft. Once again I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with your kit and I hope you do well with it as I’m sure you will.
All the Best
Fixit

I only like to fly gassed up
07-17-2009 02:51 AM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thank you Fixit....

i never took it as criticism at all...i would never asked if i had that in my mind...

infact, the reason of asking was, as i mentioned, you have a lot of experiance on gassers (both building and flying)...maybe you had something in your mind which i could'nt see....

this conversion is here because of all of you guys....support/learning from here....i would have never made it without you all and RR.

I have upgraded the clutch bell...same idea as you mentioned, i felt a need of a heavy clutch bell...and along with that, a better clutch from JR....due to few complains i have recieved from couple of buyers, where they were facing problems with century clutch...
it was engaging toooo fast...
i know its a manufacturing fault....but, i would really hate to have complains which are not caused by my product ...(its just me)

but, still there are people who buy century or have there product to try on this kit...thats why i have that available too.

anyway, that was the reason of upgrade...i have also worked on upgrading the Fan shroud, since i have changed the fan, there is really no point of using the fan shroud base plate...
The new shroud is Cheaper, made out of plastic and works as good as century shroud...and fits direct on the frame (frame is already modified to fit that new shroud in)

now the third thing you mentioned....i would say that its an excellent idea..,.not that i did'nt thought of that, but, the cost of getting the shaft longer was going a little out of hand...thats why i had to skip it.

just a little note for you and others:....i am personally a designer and have a full time job...but, along with that, this is something i do - not for living or to make money, just to bring something better and safer than "other gasser" conversion kit in the market.

Thanks again Fixit....Best Regards
07-17-2009 03:04 AM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I started to recieve complains from few buyers about parts unavailability from centuryheli...specially fan shroud.
so, i had to change a little design to utilize parts from another source....just if you guyz like to have a look again at the complete kit:

http://www.helibug.com/HB7.htm
07-19-2009 04:58 AM
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AceBird
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Location: Utica, NY USA

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just if you guyz like to have a look again at the complete kit:

Could someone explain the economy if you have to buy a Trex 700, a gas engine, and then add $400 bucks for parts originating from different suppliers to make it all happen?
Off the top of my head it seems to me you are better off picking a sole supplier and getting the whole package from one source.

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-19-2009 01:59 PM
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shawmcky
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Location: Isle of Wight,United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Align gas conversion

[quote]Could someone explain the economy if you...Nope,we are all different AceBird.Otherwise we would probably fly the same helicopters.Building a "different"heli can be very satisfying.

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
07-19-2009 02:20 PM
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Fixit
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Could someone explain the economy if you have to buy a Trex 700, a gas engine, and then add $400 bucks for parts originating from different suppliers to make it all happen?
Off the top of my head it seems to me you are better off picking a sole supplier and getting the whole package from one source

All the extra bucks if any will be saved twice over after your first crash, not only are most of the crash parts for a 700 under half of other manufactures gasser parts they are also available in most places throughout the world the same day, I myself have just waited months for some clutch parts for the century and that’s bad news when you can’t fly all that time.

I only like to fly gassed up
07-19-2009 02:37 PM
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duke666
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Location: Hampshire, UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		It's because of the part availability from Align I have held off buying a Spectra, as parts are a bit hit and miss in the UK and I don't want to be ordering from the states regularly. If I need anything for my 600E or 250 it's in stock and in the letter box next day! And as you say, at least half the price of an equivalant part from another manufacturer.

So come on Align, WHERE'S THAT GASSER?

Duke

OOOPPS............
07-19-2009 03:28 PM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My last Predator crash cost me £400 to repair but if I had replaced part for part instead of replacing alloy for plastic (Head and Blade grips) it would have been £600 and that for me makes it and elite sport and one I can’t keep up with, the Align parts might not have the same quality but the price is right and in some cases you get two for one in the packet.

I only like to fly gassed up
07-19-2009 08:22 PM
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zorba
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Ace have you ever done anything or built anything from scratch?
Is easy to go out and buy a heli come back home, put it together and next day go flying. Anyone can do that. But if you do it from scratch and try to figure out which parts to use and which ones fit for your application, now that's rewarding. I sit back and I look at my gassers everyday. Right now I am modifying the head of the 600 to a 700 running 720mm blades. To me that's money and time well spent.

Cheers

Never too old to learn...and never too young to do it again. And the ground always wins..
07-19-2009 10:25 PM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

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Ace have you ever done anything or built anything from scratch?
Is easy to go out and buy a heli come back home, put it together and next day go flying. Anyone can do that. But if you do it from scratch and try to figure out which parts to use and which ones fit for your application, now that's rewarding. I sit back and I look at my gassers everyday. Right now I am modifying the head of the 600 to a 700 running 720mm blades. To me that's money and time well spent.

Cheers

Well said.
07-19-2009 10:30 PM
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AceBird
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Location: Utica, NY USA

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Ace have you ever done anything or built anything from scratch?

Not exactly but close to it. See my gallery.

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I myself have just waited months for some clutch parts for the century and that’s bad news when you can’t fly all that time.

But it appears as though some of the parts are coming from Century and other manufacturers besides Align. How responsive is the back yard manufacturer who is making the conversions going to be? Two years from now he will get tired of making this parts and you won't be getting them anymore. Then what do you do?

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-19-2009 11:21 PM
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zorba
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

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How responsive is the back yard manufacturer who is making the conversions going to be?
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Is good that there's someone out there that makes those conversions.
But I don't have to worry. I can make my own.
Yes, I buy the parts from Century, Align, TT, but anything else I can make my self like Fixit did.
I don't have an CNC machine but with a router and a good bit I can do it. Some people would buy from the manufacturer either because they don't have the time or the knowledge.
A back yard manufacturer as you call it, will always be around.
I saw your gallery not bad but about the AP2000i mounted on a piece of wood?
How original.

Cheers

Never too old to learn...and never too young to do it again. And the ground always wins..
07-19-2009 11:44 PM
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Fixit
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But it appears as though some of the parts are coming from Century and other manufacturers besides Align. How responsive is the back yard manufacturer who is making the conversions going to be? Two years from now he will get tired of making this parts and you won't be getting them anymore. Then what do you do?

You’ve had two years of cheep repairs so what the heck just go out and start all over again on whatever’s new out by then.
People do theses conversions because they want to and not for a commercial aspect, if I had a pound for every time someone has asked me to make them a kit.

I only like to fly gassed up
07-19-2009 11:52 PM
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AceBird
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Location: Utica, NY USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		People do theses conversions because they want to and not for a commercial aspect,

http://www.helibug.com/HB7.htm

My comments were about this link that was posted which appears to be a commercial aspect. I can understand someone doing it for their own gratification. I cannot understand the economics of buying a conversion kit from someone else where pieces of the product come from other manufacturers that were bought at retail and then sold again.

If Align comes out with a gasser I don't believe they will have a huge cost advantage over anyone else. They will be sharing a market with an unproven design. I don't think the availability of parts will be there either for the parts that are not common to other helies that they produce. Just my thoughts on the subject.

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-20-2009 01:46 AM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

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My comments were about this link that was posted which appears to be a commercial aspect. I can understand someone doing it for their own gratification. I cannot understand the economics of buying a conversion kit from someone else where pieces of the product come from other manufacturers that were bought at retail and then sold again

I doubt that you have calculated the cost of additional parts in retail...

...if u calculate the additional parts required ontop of the initial price of the kit (which was $219.99)....you will see that those parts are more expensive in retail then buying from me in the complete kit...

for instance...aluminum fan with clutch mount cost $95 in retail...but, when you buy the complete kit, it cost way less than the retail price...clutch, fan shroud - you do the math.

I dont buy those extra parts in retail and dont make any extra on them coz they are just to help the buyers.

I have them as a complete kit coz people who bought this kit prefered that option...to buy it from a single source rather then paying extra for shipping and searching for parts from different sellers.
07-20-2009 02:27 AM
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shawmcky
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Location: Isle of Wight,United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		aliazhar

Keep up the good work,many will appreciate it.I have found once built a conversion usually only needs the usual"consumables"say after a crash so Align definately have the advantage for price and availability.I like Fixit have found other manufacturers parts hard to obtain,not impossible though if you are prepared to wait and wait

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
07-20-2009 08:47 AM
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aliazhar
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Location: plano, TX

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thank you!
07-20-2009 01:16 PM
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