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Safety - RC Helis are not toys > What an IDIOT!
 
 
TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfnT...feature=related

If something were to happen all I could hope for is that it would hit the pilot as he is the one responsible.The people off to the side shouldnt have to get seriously injured or killed do to the pilots stupidity.

And even worse they were all in a crowd,If something happend it would hurt or kill many people not just one.

some people just dont deserve to fly rc helis
03-05-2009 09:16 PM
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Ray Fernandez
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Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Have any idea where the vid was shot at? It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Since it was a nitro heli, I would think the fumes would have caused a concern for the people around.

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03-05-2009 09:29 PM
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Saint728
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Location: Honolulu, Hawaii

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yup that is bad and it is a nitro heli too. Maybe there are netting going around where he is flying?


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03-05-2009 09:30 PM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I dont see any nets,and it looks like theres a small fence that goes about 3-4 feet up,bacause that'll help ..no idea where it was shot,and as you mentioned the fumes must of been horrible,I cant stand above my R90 for more than a few seconds cause it burns my eyes I can imagine how much smoke was in there
03-05-2009 09:36 PM
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TaleGunner
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Location: Deer Park WA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		sorta like sazbo flying his 500 in a tv studio and landing on that guys head. when someone dies it will stop

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03-05-2009 11:27 PM
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ESWLFSE
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Location: Bradenton, FL USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Perhaps this took place in a country where people take responsibility for their own safety and had the choice to leave if they felt the risk to their life was too great.
03-05-2009 11:37 PM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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Perhaps this took place in a country where people take responsibility for their own safety and had the choice to leave if they felt the risk to their life was too great
perhaps people who arent experianced with RC helis have no idea of the dangers.
03-06-2009 12:09 AM
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smoothaseggs
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Location: SD, Ca

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		indoor nitro flying? wow
just when you think you've seen it all
he should see some of the stuff on this safety section
03-06-2009 01:17 AM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I have been branded a safety nazi in the past, but guys, give me a friggin break! That is inside a building as big as an aircraft hangar, and I would take a bet that the crowd you can see way in the distance is further back that the typical outdoor flying meeting.

sure the camera person might be closer, but that is their call.

and why does the fact it is a nitro heli make the slightest difference??? You can easily fit electric motors which are way more powerful

Tony Stott
03-06-2009 03:08 AM
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GimbalFan
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Location: Copter County, Nv

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That is inside a building as big as an aircraft hangar, and I would take a bet that the crowd you can see way in the distance is further back that the typical outdoor flying meeting.
My thoughts exactly. Proximity was typical for such events, indoors or out.

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03-06-2009 04:05 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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03-06-2009 07:36 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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I have been branded a safety nazi in the past, but guys, give me a friggin break! That is inside a building as big as an aircraft hangar, and I would take a bet that the crowd you can see way in the distance is further back that the typical outdoor flying meeting.

sure the camera person might be closer, but that is their call.

and why does the fact it is a nitro heli make the slightest difference??? You can easily fit electric motors which are way more powerful

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My thoughts exactly. Proximity was typical for such events, indoors or out.

first off,what RC event allows people to completly surround the helis flying area without any nets and such? And thats especially worse with a .90 size nitro,its alot more distracting to the pilot because of reduced visibility and irritation from the smoke (indoors).

if you watch when the heli lands look at how much space its takeing on the ground you'll notice those people are not as far away as you think.And I have no doubt that video was taken from inside of a crowd rather than just somebody standing in the middle of the flying area to get video.

and lets not mention people are lined up against the walls,if this was outdoors theres a chance that if he flys (controlled or uncontrolled) over the spectator area that everything would be fine (wouldnt hit somebody) but indoors with walls theres just no chance,somebody is going to get hurt or killed.and if he were to crash on that concrete floor parts would fly everywhere,including into the crowd..outdoors the people could run,indoors all you cando is cover your head,which isnt a good failsafe.Any amount of heli/pilot/electronic failures could occur and cause some serious damage.heck I lost my R90 to a 10 cent bolt,it was completly un-expected.

BigguyOz and Gimbal,if you guys have been branded safety nazi's in the past then you are deffinitly getting rusty because THIS is a major safety concern.
03-06-2009 07:48 AM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My guess is that the event was one of the major indoor fly-ins, not some hick backyard set-up. On checking, I found that it was a huge model exhibition held at Le Bourget airport in France, called "mondial-modelisme" (roughly translated as Model world)

I am not going to bother looking at the video again, but will say this... you ASSUME the video was taken from within the crowd, with absolutely no evidence to support your claim. Secondly, when the heli lands, I would like to bet that the only people nearby were actually authorised to be there, not the general public, who were all at least 50-60 yards away.

Tony Stott
03-06-2009 11:46 AM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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My guess is that the event was one of the major indoor fly-ins, not some hick backyard set-up. On checking, I found that it was a huge model exhibition held at Le Bourget airport in France, called "mondial-modelisme" (roughly translated as Model world)

I am not going to bother looking at the video again, but will say this... you ASSUME the video was taken from within the crowd, with absolutely no evidence to support your claim. Secondly, when the heli lands, I would like to bet that the only people nearby were actually authorised to be there, not the general public, who were all at least 50-60 yards away.

Im not going to fight with you over it dude,the proof is right there in the video and this is a major safety concern. thanks
03-06-2009 05:22 PM
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McRex
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Location: Halls, TN-USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		They definitely need to rethink their safety setup, or lack thereof. Indoors flying of a 90 sized nitro is pretty much a no go.

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03-06-2009 05:50 PM
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Skarn
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Location: Pasadena, MD

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hmmm....so I guess using some of your logic, indoor tractor pulls and motorcycle racing is a no no and a safety issue as well?

Skarn

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03-06-2009 09:16 PM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		And I assume a 5 horsepower electric heli would be just fine as well....

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03-06-2009 09:40 PM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

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Hmmm....so I guess using some of your logic, indoor tractor pulls and motorcycle racing is a no no and a safety issue as well?

Skarn

depends,i would have to see it before makeing that judgement,it CAN be done safe.

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And I assume a 5 horsepower electric heli would be just fine as well....

for some reason you seem to think theres some kind of nitro vs electric safety thing going on here,theres not and I have no idea where you got this from. anything bigger than a 500 size electric would be a safety issue for that area.600's electric or nitro,and 90's electric or nitros are un acceptible for that area.I do belive the nitro to be worse for that area because
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And thats especially worse with a .90 size nitro,its alot more distracting to the pilot because of reduced visibility and irritation from the smoke (indoors).


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some people just dont deserve to fly rc helis
unfortunatly that comment also goes twards those who acctually think this isnt a safety issue as they are the most likely to get somebody injured or killed.
03-06-2009 10:08 PM
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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		time for you to advise us all YOUR safety standards...

Please advise the minimum distance everyone except the pilot is to be kept away from a 90 size helicopter while it is in flight. How far away when the aircraft is fixed wing?

Please honestly advise if this minimum is strictly followed without exception at the site where you fly.

If not, please advise the reason for the hypocracy.

I am happy to admit that I personally would not watch ANY R/C aircraft without having the means of escape (eg no wall or other obstacle behind me). Whether there is a roof or not is absolutely and utterly irrelevant.

Tony Stott
03-06-2009 11:00 PM
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TankDirt
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Location: Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I dont have any fixed wing so I cant comment on that.If somebody is skimming peoples heads with a plank its not me.

I allow people (other than my spotter and fellow heli pilots) to stay BEHIND the fence about 50feet BEHIND me,for no reason are others allowed to be in front of or on the side of my flying area. when idiots decide to setup rockets in the middle of the field,I land.

yes,I have made exceptions to the rules,EVERYbody has whether it was on accident(somebody walks into the flying area) or on purpose.

I as well always stand in a place where I can quickly get out of the way.


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Whether there is a roof or not is absolutely and utterly irrelevant

so when you get whipped in the face by a blade that blew up upon impact(as well as lots of other small parts) when it hit the ceiling,your still going to claim its irrelevant?

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If not, please advise the reason for the hypocracy.

deffinitly was not hypocracy.Although ive made exceptions to my rules at times that is in an entirly different class than the video...they allowed an entire FF with nitro 90's (and im sure lots of other large heli) indoors without much space,with crowds of people surrounding the flying area without any nets and such...to me that is FAR worse than makeing a few exceptions,what they did is completly unacceptable


I know your going to jump in on the "EVERYbody" comment but spare it..think of the pictures you take,where you fly your helis at, whether it was 20 years ago when people held their tail rotors for tracking or yesturday, EVERYbody at some point and more than once make exceptions with RC helis and for somebody to claim they havent would be a lie.

EDIT: re-reading you post,I havent made ANY exceptions when it comes to my .90,not yet at least (had it for like a year),that thing scares me at times and I refuse to fly it irresposibly.
03-06-2009 11:35 PM
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