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Aaron1100usSenior Heliman - Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa - My Posts This: Topic  Forum
This is my first scale build and don't really have a clue as to what I'm doing. The mechanics is a Kyosho Caliber 5 just because thats what I had to do this with. The heli that I'm scaling this after is the Lifeguard air ambulance at the hospital that I work at. Its a Bell 407 Long Ranger. The fuselage is a Century Heli Bell Long Ranger. Scale fittings are from Starwood Models. There is a little bit of a difference but I hope to get it as close as I can to the real thing.

The painter at work even has left over paint from the real helicopter and the helmets. He is going to be painting it and someone from the flight crew does custom decals/graphics so he is making the decals for it. Its even going to have scale skids and lighting. Can't wait to get it done.

























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dkshema
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Aaron -- that is going to be a real challenge, and I can't wait to see it's debut at the field when finished. Good luck with the build.

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^ +1 nice looking subject. looking forward to it.

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rcmc59
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Lifeguard

I cut two strips of ply about 4 inches long and 1 1/4 inches wide to fit inside the fuse perfectly crossways. I then drilled and bolted them to the mechanics where the factory gear mounts. Then I set it inside the fuse and marked and drilled, added blind nuts in the fuse and attached my ply mounts to the ply on the bottom of the fuse. I had to use spaces of course to raise it up. Worked great.

Do what has to be done
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Aaron1100us
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rcmc59,
thanks for the tip


Ran into my first problem. I could have sworn that the helmets at work matched Lifeguard. Nope, more gray color. Couldn't find anything to match. Talked to one of the Pilots and he told me to get a hold of the place out at the Cedar Rapids Airport that works on Lifeguard. I just got a hold of someone out there are they are looking for the paint code as well. Guess they had a panel color matched and it didn't turn out so well so he wants the proper paint code as well. As soon as I get that, I'll be ordering up the paint.

Good thing I'm starting this now as for some reason, I don't think its going to be an easy build.

I have a sheet of styrene that should be here Wednesday so I can make some new fins to match the 407 LG as the ones that came with the kit are for the basic Long Ranger.


Can't wait for the skids and light set to get here.
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Aaron1100us
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Can I use aresol paint or does it need to be applied with a paint gun? Once I get the paint code or get something close, the painter at work said we can special order aresol paint.

Also, what do I use for a fuel proff clear coat? Is there anything aresol for that too? Thanks
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dkshema
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What kind of paint are you going to end up with? You might want to use a decent compressor/spray gun. I use a small Campbell-Hausfeld compressor hooked up to an automotive touch-up gun. It's ideal for small work, and you have good control over the fan pattern, the amount of material being applied, and the gun's easy to clean, and simple to use.

Is the final finish on the bird glossy, matte, or somewhere in-between?

You're final finish probably wants to be a good clear coat, and I think you can get clear coats that dry glossy, satin, or matte, depending upon the reducer you choose, and the hardener.

Most anything you're going to find in a rattle can isn't going to be fuel proof and you'll need a good fuel-proof coat to keep the final finish from blistering and getting a bad case of the measles from where blobs of fuel end up while flying. It's also kind of hard to get a good, even coverage using rattle cans of paint.

PPG Omni AU automotive urethane clear coat, with a fast-curing hardener comes out very glossy (it's the stuff Derek and I use for the clear coat on our canopies) and the stuff is impervious to fuel. Even after two or three years, it still comes up looking good.

Fill all the divots well, sand well, and apply light primer coat. Whatever you do, keep the paint job light.

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As an alternative, there's a pattern flyer in our club at Collins who is experimenting with water-based acrylics (or urethanes, I forget which right now) for finishing his monster pattern ships. The water-based thing sounds interesting, and clean up (and goof removal) is easy. He says properly applied the stuff is fuel-proof for up to 50% nitro-based fuel.

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aquasean
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Are you going to change the rotor head to a 4 blade head? If so, what which one are looking at getting. I would like to know because I am also working on a Bell 407 project.
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Aaron1100us
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I wish I was going to put on a 4 blade head but don't you need helicomand to run without a flybar? Those two would bean expensive upgrade, a little out of my price range for now.

btw, what fuselage are you using? Do you have a 407 long ranger? I couldn't find a 407 so I had to get a century heli long ranger. Its just a little bit different.
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aquasean
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No, you do not need the helicommand. There are other forms that explain how to setup a multi-blade head. I am considering on getting either Rc Aerodyne's http://www.scaleflying.com/product_p/lhtb-22.htm or Century's http://www.centuryheli.com/products...2&prtnm=CN1104. Tell me if you know of any others.

By he way, I am construting a Century .30 Bell Long Ranger after my local Sheriff Department's 407 [url]http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=01363987&size=large.
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Aaron1100us
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Interesting, thought you needed special electronics to run without a flybar. I'd sure like to get a 4 blade head but that might have to wait until next year, al long as I don't crash it. What mechanics are you using?
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aquasean
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I have the Hawk Pro mechanics.

I am looking for the exaust pipe that is on top of the 407. On my .30 scale fuseloge it does not come with this part. East Coast scale sells one , but I don't know if it would look too big.
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Aaron1100us
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Thats odd. mine is the same thing but in 50 size and it did come with the exhaust. Are you to leave the two fins in the back original or are you going to make them the same as the 407? I'm trying to figure out a way to make new fins to match the 407. had the lsh order some styrene in the same thickness. I was going to use some of that to make the fins. The sheet they got it was $37. That would be a waste of $$ for two small parts.
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payne1967
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the other way to make the fins is to use lite ply and then paint over with fibre glass resin (don't use the glass matting)and then just sand down to shape, i made some this way to replace a damaged one on my bell 222
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aquasean
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I noticed in the pictures the differance between the .30 and th3 .50. If I could do it again, I would buy the .50.

I am not using the original veritical fins. I have used some bass wood($5) from my LHS, about the same thickness. I designed and scaled them off the origanl 407. I have primed then sanded, primed and sanded.

I justed received my LED lights from RC Aerodyne today($35).
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Aaron1100us
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Interesting. I'm going to try and make some fins. My scale skids and lights are being made by Copter Doctor. Can't wait to get them.

Any tips for getting the boom into the fuselage? The manual doesn't really explain it very well. I know you have to take the boom off. Do you put the boom in from the front of the fuselage or from the back? Do you need to take off the tail rotor assembly? Once the boom is in, how do you put it back into the main frame of the mechanics? Doesn't seem like an easy thing to do.
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Aaron1100us
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Is there any place that sells scale blades? Or is there a way to paint them withouth worrying about balance? The tail blades should be grey with three black stripes. Main blades are supposed to be grey in color.
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Heli143
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Aaron1100us and aquasean

I have the same problem in that I am missing the exhaust stack. I emailed Century and heli-World and they told me they don't sell them.

I guess I will post in the wanted thread to see if anyone has one they can spare

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aquasean
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Aaron110us- Leave your boom on the mechanics but you have to remove the tail assemble to get it through. After putting the mechanic all the way to the back add on the tail then move the assemble forward to your mounting holes. On your blades, just mask and paint them than balance.

Heli143- Have you seen the exhaust part that East Coast Scale sells for the Long Jet Ranger? Is it too big for a .30 scale? If you find a extra exhaust let me know where, thanks.
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