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JS Model TZ Shark, 3d Frenzy > Is anyone actually flying a frenzy yet?
 
 
Blademan
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Location: Morehead, KY. Home of the CRAM club

My Posts This: Topic  Forum

Well finaly got to fly the Frenzy today I am very impressed with it. I must have gotten one without any problems. It flies perfect and no issues. My front pully runs true. Very smooth For a cheap " CLONE" It does very well. Be glad to get to fly it more.

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03-15-2009 10:41 PM
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RapRexkim
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Location: Tacoma ,Wa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		New Frenzy

Hi to everyone.I Bought my TZ-V2 from Amain and I recieved it on yesterday,I realy impress with this type heli,I flow 600N,TT-50,I still build this and may have to test fly on next week.Looking very good.I want to see how it fly compair to 600N.

Hobby is alway fun for every body and you know how to enjoy it.
03-16-2009 08:44 AM
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skew
Senior Heliman
Location: KY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I got to beat up on mine too. All I can say is WOW! in FFF it flys better than my planes. I bought one for a backup ship but I think its going to be my main machine now(sorry t600n now called "hanger queen"
03-16-2009 11:15 AM
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Blademan
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Location: Morehead, KY. Home of the CRAM club

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		RapRexkim

You're going to love it You might as well get ready to sell that Trex 600

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03-16-2009 11:18 AM
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gondwnhard
Senior Heliman
Location: redwood city ca.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		No keep the 600n you might need a back up, havent flone my n sice i got my v2. and its not just a cheap clone of the vibe its a cheap clone of the vibe, raptor and radio try of the t600 but it sure flys good.
03-16-2009 02:56 PM
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sparx
Senior Heliman
Location: canton, oh - US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		To be honest, I think calling this a clone is an insult to it. There are only 3 things that make is "clonish" if you ask me. The Canopy, 140 ccpm swash and fuel tank mounting. Other then that, there is nothing "Vibe" about this heli. I bet if they would have simply put a different Canopy on it, this whole clone thing would not even be an coming up.

The frames are not the same. I see things in the frame layout that are similar to a few different helis. Knights, Raptors, Vibes and Trexs.

The head is similar to many helis as well. This is not a new design by no means and there are many helis out there that use this same style of head.

The tail is a cross between a Trex and Raptor.

The clutch system is more Raptor like. I need to put it next to a few Raptors at the club to be sure, but I do not think you can directly replace this system with one from a Raptor. Not sure yet.

So I just do not get this "clone" thing really. JS Models is not the first company to build a heli with influences from others on the market. Sometimes it doesn't pay to "re-invent the wheel" as they say. Even the so called "reputable" models out there have influences from other helis.

Anyway, I got the Frenzy together this past friday. Putting it together was quite easy. I had no issues building it what-so-ever. Bone stock with an OS50/Hatori and 600mm Radix blades, this heli is a great flier. Tracks great. Flips and rolls well. I am very impressed with what you get for $220. It is what it is. A reasonalby priced great flying helicopter. Are there better out there. Sure. But you will pay for better. Does that mean the TZ is not good. Nope. Infact it is GREAT!
03-16-2009 04:39 PM
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VooDooX
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Location: San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		got a new Spartan ds760 for my tz gonna see how it flies this weekend anyone else using a spartan gyro on theres?

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03-16-2009 05:03 PM
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RapRexkim
Heliman
Location: Tacoma ,Wa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		New Frenzy

Hi Blademan.
Thank you for your information,I will to finish it today and test fly tommorrow.

Hobby is alway fun for every body and you know how to enjoy it.
03-16-2009 05:29 PM
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skew
Senior Heliman
Location: KY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		sparx well spoken
03-16-2009 06:29 PM
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sparx
Senior Heliman
Location: canton, oh - US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Just telling it how it is. I do not do the "in-crowd" thing. I always go "against the grain" it seem :P. I see it a lot in this hobby. Buying a particular heli is like the cost of membership into some exclusive club and every other club is either junk or a copy. I find it amusing really. We are all here for the same thing right? To fly these heli and have fun doing it. Who cares what someone buys and/or likes. If it flies, that is good enough for me

Here is a video of my Frenzy in the air. I am not a great flier, but I can put a heli thru the paces. Sorry for the quality. The guy running the camera is not so good at using the zoom.

http://www.vimeo.com/3671829
03-16-2009 06:50 PM
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gftazz
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Location: upstate N.Y. in the Adirondacks

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Amen Sparx.
Thanks to you guys here I went and bought a few to add to the fleet to fly and learn a couple new things on so if it gets whacked won't hurt much. But from what I see it's a very nice kit especially for the money and once I showed the kit to the guys at the field yesterday I wouldn't be surprised to see more there especially once they see it fly too.The cost and the quality seal the deal I think.

Oh yeah I bought 4 kits myself to have some spares of everything .

Oh No Someone Please Stop Me Before I Go Broke With This Heli Thing!!
03-16-2009 07:44 PM
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sparx
Senior Heliman
Location: canton, oh - US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		4 KITS!

SHeesh.. leave some for the rest of us

Dan at Amain says they are going trying their hardest to keep the stock levels up. Last he told me they have like 60 Kits and I think more on the way. Well... 4 less now!
03-16-2009 07:57 PM
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gondwnhard
Senior Heliman
Location: redwood city ca.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		sparx if you dont think the frames on the tz look like the vibe you need to look at a vibe, they could not look any closer so that makes it a cheap clone before you give some snapy reply tradhunt and i got the very first ones out of a main. i got it becouse it looked like a vibe the best 50 out right now becouse the vibe flys so good i thought the tz would to and it duz but it is no vibe, but not bad for 220.
03-16-2009 09:15 PM
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Blademan
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Location: Morehead, KY. Home of the CRAM club

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Don't take that wrong when i said cheap clone. I was just kidding Because of what all the Pantera guys said about it
RapRexkim you are very welcome I Love my Frenzy better than my EVO

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03-16-2009 09:50 PM
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sparx
Senior Heliman
Location: canton, oh - US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		gondwnhard,

Never said they were not similar. Read my post again. They are also similar to the Knights frame. There are aspects of both frames I see in the Frenzy frame. You have access to both. Then take a picture of both of them side by side and one laying on top the other. Besides, a Frame means very little when it comes to how a heli flies. The frame is there to hold the componants. That servo layout is nothing new. It can be seen on more then just the Vibe and Frenzy helicopters.

From what I see, JS looked at the Vibe frame sides and modified them to their liking. Removed some thing and added others, for instance the Radio Tray. This is from a Trex 600/700. So is it a Trex clone now?

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i got it becouse it looked like a vibe the best 50 out right now becouse the vibe flys so good i thought the tz would to and it duz but it is no vibe, but not bad for 220.

You said it right there. It does not fly like a Vib because it is NOT a Vibe. It is similar, yes. But not the same. I would say it is a GREAT heli for $220.

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i got it becouse it looked like a vibe the best 50 out right now

That is purely a subjective statement. Because if you ask me what the best 50 size out there right now is, I will say it is a Knight 50 3D. But you know what, that is my opinion because there is not way to make a statement like that based on facts. And there are no facts you can provide to back up that the Vibe is the Best 50. What about the Trex 600N. There are 100s of people out there that will say it is the Best 50. SO who is right? How do we judge who is right?

Look, the Frenzy is what it is. It is a Great Flying, Well Built and AFFORDABLE 50 size nitro. Can you tell me something about the Frenzy that will dispute that?

Will I sell my Knight 50 3D because I now have a Frenzy. Heck no. But I will tell you this much, they are going to get equal time on them.

I am not making "snappy" replies. You might be reading it that way, but that is not how I wrote it.
03-16-2009 10:14 PM
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gondwnhard
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Location: redwood city ca.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Sorry the quality is no vibe. can you show me one more heli with that exat servo layout. if you read one of my posts again i said it was a cheap clone of the vibe, raptor and 600. i am mostly being a smart ass about the pantera girls. yes the tz is affordable and it flys good not great, my 2c. well built some of it, but get some air time on it and you will see what i mean. now i am going to go beat it up a little before the rain. don't get me wrong if you read though all of the potes i have said it is a good heli for the price.
03-16-2009 10:47 PM
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sparx
Senior Heliman
Location: canton, oh - US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I do not know why you keep saying something to the effect of.....

"the quality is no Vibe".

No KIDDING!

Where have I or anyone else said that it was.

I said.... "A reasonalby priced great flying helicopter. Are there better out there. Sure. But you will pay for better"

So sure, you shell out the money for a Vibe, it better be of better quality. I would EXPECT that! But just because the Rotor Hub is shiny and polish does not make one heli fly better then the other. And NO I am NOT saying that a Frenzy will fly as good as a Vibe. I have not flown a Vibe so I wouldn't know. But I have flown enough helis to know what makes one heli fly better then the other.

Again, I do not agree with it being a clone. If this is a clone, then there are many other well respected helis on the market that are clones as well. Because there are many other helis that pull their designs from others as well. They tweak the design to fit their model. THis is not new and will be done again.

I put a damn near 1 1/2 gallons thru my Frenzy this weekend and I tried like HELL to break it. I think I have a good idea of what this heli is.

What I fail to understand is, if you feel it is a good heli, then why are you trying to make it look bad?

I am also curious. You keep saying that the quality is not Vibe. The quality of what exactly?
03-16-2009 11:06 PM
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RapRexkim
Heliman
Location: Tacoma ,Wa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		New Frenzy

The first engine break in and test fly very good for this heli.I like it .Better than my raptor.

Hobby is alway fun for every body and you know how to enjoy it.
03-17-2009 09:26 PM
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VooDooX
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Location: San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i have flown it a few times now GREAT heli just hangs in the air no fighting it

99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space. its true look it up
03-19-2009 11:44 PM
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Tradhunt
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Location: American Canyon, Ca. USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I enjoy buying different heli.'s to try out and fly. I've owned and flow just about every brand me I love my Compass heli.'s and have flown compass for a very long time and I don't see myself getting rid of them.

I buy different heli.'s and try out and usually sell them off to fund something else.... Not because I don't like this or that heli its just what I do. To me the JS is a very nice heli for the price fly's pretty good, cheep, and the quality is fairly nice for the price you pay I've seen poorer quality on more costly kit's. But it's no JR, MA, Hirobo, Compass quality that's for sure... And I wouldn't expect it to be for that price.

I wouldn't really call it a clone because to me a clone is a dead copy 100% interchangable or an easy option to use their parts to bolt right in and upgrade it(T.T., etc)... Like the Align clone's out their... But it's a very very close copy. The frame's do have the same servo layout, same electronics tray(if you get the optional tray... Clone that part is). but the T.T from the vibe cant be used unless hole's are drilled and a few other things.

As for the frame being close to the Knight I don't see it but maybe it's just me.

That's just my opinion and I'm not here to argue or push my opinion on whats a better heli or not. Just giving my .02

George
03-20-2009 03:57 AM
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