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MaSt0RaS
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4 Turns is too open (that only works fro break in from my experience, no offense to anyone). I would go with 3.5 on the Low and 1.5 on the high. I am running 2150RPM. In hover you sould see a lot of smoke, and during normal flight you should have a nice trail of smoke. You can close the High one click at a time and perform high speed loops. If you loose your smoke you are too lean, if not you can continue adjusting. The sweet point is between loosing your smoke and adjusting to get it back. Temps will be higher than on a OS.

I have done this with two 57 an they are running perfect. If you close the Low Needle too much you will get poor performance and High temps.

I hope this helps,


what do you say 4 turns is too open?? and the you sat 3.5 turns this is more open... because you start from fully open... and you close 4 turns... and you say you close 3.5 turns by that way you are richer than 4 turns...
11-05-2009 09:31 PM
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ININVERNO
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Location: San Leandro - Ca - USA / Mandello del Lario - IT

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like promized the firth video come available
in my tube channel you can get all available at this time here

http://www.youtube.com/ininverno

the 57 service video is 2 h long, than we make 12 episode to make you all happy..... like a serial...

the firth 6 episode are on.

Tomorrow or ASAP the other 6... need sleep now.

TTYL

Luca Invernizzi - ininverno@yahoo.com
11-05-2009 11:06 PM
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MaSt0RaS
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Can someone tell if its right when i open the low to have higher temps??
11-06-2009 09:40 AM
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w12martin
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Location: Matsuyama, Ehime, Japan

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Hi MaSt0RaS
I understand, the low needle also regulate the mid range and some people in here have said that opening/closing the low needle can make a huge difference in power deliver.
If you open the low needle (counter clockwise) you'll get lower temps because the low and mid range will be richer
11-06-2009 09:50 AM
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MaSt0RaS
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yeap this is what i know... but when i open it i have more temp...
This motor is untunable...!
11-06-2009 09:51 AM
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w12martin
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How much the temp increase?
Do you check the temp at the end of the two flights?
Also, can you see the engine runing rich when you open the low needle??
11-06-2009 09:58 AM
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MaSt0RaS
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this is what i am going to do....
I wish not to damage the engine till i find the best settings....
11-06-2009 11:06 AM
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skydivejohn
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I ran into issues that seemed like it was going lean when unloading. It sounded like rin nin nin nin nin and made the tail wag. I chased the needles for a while. I swapped my 2 align governors. Then I bought a multigov which fixed that issue.
I still cant tune the midrange to hover smooth but it has lots of power when I push the sticks around. This motor is the biggest headache I have ever given myself.

Has anyone else had issues with the align governor on the 57?

John
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11-06-2009 01:48 PM
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w12martin
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This motor is the biggest headache I have ever given myself.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11-06-2009 01:55 PM
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Ducati996
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MaSt0RaS

You are correct. I ment to say close it more, so that wouldbe 4.5 on Low Needle, sorry about that.

Ducati.
11-06-2009 02:11 PM
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MaSt0RaS
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ooooo i have a headache too...
The worst is that no one can help.....
i wish after a week to be all ok...!

Inverno can pls tell us something about the low needle??
11-06-2009 04:27 PM
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ININVERNO
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Location: San Leandro - Ca - USA / Mandello del Lario - IT

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Hi
Please remenber that with the new fuel with multiviscosity oil, if you run too rith you will also get over eating.

Please follow the below information will help you to undertand better the Novarossi carburetor setting:

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/g...arb_tuning1.pdf

Luca Invernizzi - ininverno@yahoo.com
11-06-2009 06:07 PM
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rexxigpilot
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This motor is no harder to tune than any of the 30-40 OS engines I've owned. I'm running Magnum 30%. With the 0.50mm shims and after a good break in, the stock needle settings are spot on. If you aren't capable of setting the low needle, you will never get this engine properly tuned. The only change I suggest is going to the OS #8 plug. The NR plugs burn out way too quickly and doesn't have as good an idle.
11-07-2009 02:36 AM
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Martorell
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Location: Morelia, Mich. Mexico

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hi,
mine it is running great,a lot of punch, no big problem to tune. but it is to sensitive to the needles, one click just go from 100°c to 117°c aprox.
trex 600
multigov pro 2100rpm idle 1, 2150rpm idle 2
aling pipe (s#$%"@)
0.5 shim
low needle: 6 turn close from full open
high: 1 1/4 open from full close
nitro: cool power 30%
plug: 0s 8 at 70°c plate, 130°c head
0s A5 at 55°c plate, 115°c head
Novarossi R3 at 50°c plate, 105°c head
air temp: 20°c-27°c
sea level: 2100mts

I hope this helps to someone
11-07-2009 03:51 AM
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ININVERNO
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Please follow the below information will help you to understands better the Novarossi carburetor setting:

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/g...arb_tuning1.pdf


Also please remember that like all engine without pump system the right setting / temperatures must be check with tank at 50%, this is the average setting during the fly , is normal than that like all engine without pump to get little bit rich in the beguine fly, than perfect when the tank is at 50% and little lean when is almost empty...
The difference are so small, but if you check the temperature during the fly , don't be surprise about the change that I explain upper...

One other thinks, if you make the setting of the throttle barrel in the idle like explain in my addendum file upper, than more open in idle compared other engine carburetor, you will notice immediately that with the std setting of the idle needle (4 turn in from completely open) will be perfect for you and you will just need to set the max speed needle, 3 click a time to feel the change of the setting.
Personally I fly with the setting of the barrel in idle like my pics in the addendum, the idle needle 3.75 turn in from the complete un-screw position (than little 0.25 rich compared the std) and than the max needle I open 2 turn from all screw in and I lean 3 clicks.
This make me perfect setting using 0.5 mm shim with 30% nitro, rex h5 tuned pipe and hr3 plugs also when i change the carburetor I use this setting and are almost tune perfect, in particularly the low speed / idle / medium is perfect and I will fine tuning the max speed.

If you feel than the max speed is very sensitive, is because your barrel setting and the corresponded idle setting is not correct like explain in my addendum, please check again.

Please after check and try my advise in the addendum file , than let me know if you need more info.

PS, don't lost much time to tune the Novarossi in Hover... is not toy engine he like runs at the limit... in hover the turbo effect make the engine little nervous... like all tuned engine the REX57 is for high rpm use... the ones you need for the 3D.. if you need make hover to learn fly , just put all the shim in and than will come more friendly for the beginner.

Just follow my explain and you have issue now you will change very quickly you feel about tuning, like more of you already learn.

Any need please let me know.

Luca Invernizzi - ininverno@yahoo.com
11-07-2009 08:57 AM
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Wimbledon99
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My Novarossi 'blew up' the other day so I'm moving on

I blew a main gear and the engine started screaming. Not sure if the engine ran away with itself and stripped the gear or it happened once the gear stripped

All I can say is that when I started the engine after the gear stripping, it built up speed without the throttle being opened!! End result is that a total rebuild is required

Anyhow, have decided to move on from Novarossi. The power was awesome but I spent too much time playing with plugs, shims and needle settings and not enough time flying.

Great videos by the way Luca

Cheers and good luck

3D?? No - just another input error!!!
11-07-2009 07:08 PM
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MaSt0RaS
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another one that is dissapointed.... OMG...!
11-07-2009 09:49 PM
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Tail_BoomStrike
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Correction to my above post.... The ring wasn't cracked.... I thought it was, when I was moving the piston up and down, cause it was bubbling.... I took the liner and piston later on.... The ring wasn't actually broke.... But when installed, The ring gap was too wide to make a seal.... All in all still needs piston, liner, ring kit....

I think the break in settings in the manual is not good.... Maybe 3.5 in for the low needle, and 1 3/4 for high is better.... Mine came back abnormally hot from just hover break-in with the settings from the manual.... 4 in is too lean, it wear out the ring and liner.... That could also be the cause of tuning issue later on....


For shimming and plug combination..... More compressed, use colder plug, less compressed hotter plug..... There's this thing called heat of compression..... Hotter plugs on more compressed state advances the timing more.... Although, the mixture is still rich, ignition accurs, but poor combustion..... I will manifest as sooth build up on the plug.... When leaned more for proper mixture ignition timing is too advanced to create power, sometimes pre-detonation.... Less compressed, need hotter plug to correct timing..... The sad thing is it requires plenty of time experimenting what combination would work.....

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Hi Tail_BoomStrike,

Have you check carefully if this is a throttle servo failed or just the carb barrel is jammed, I have the carb stuck in the first flight.

Can you help to confirm this ?

Thanks
TGO

TGO

My throtle doesn't stick.... It's acutally silky smooth.... Although, Before it got installed.... Inoticed it was sticking..... I uninstalled the barrel and removed the spring, lube the barrel with fuel... And no more sticking.....
11-08-2009 01:42 AM
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Wimbledon99
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Hi MaStORas,

It would be unfair to say I was disappointed. The power from this engine was great but for me it came at the expense of more time on the bench than in the air. Others have had great success with this engine and I wish them all the best.

I would have persisted with the N57 if it had not have 'blown' but as it did, I have decided to spend my time and money exploring something different.

If you nail the tuning I'm sure you'll have a ball. I think Luca's tuning video came just a tad too late for me.

Don't give up just because a couple of forum users have decided to change tack.

Cheers

3D?? No - just another input error!!!
11-08-2009 01:48 AM
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Ducati996
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Two Engines have blown up!

Luca:

Do you know is Novarossi offers a repair service for the engines? I know that other companies like YS offer that service. If yes, what would the cost of servicing an engine? All they would have to do is send a new engine, charge the customer, and use the old engine as a core.

Other companies like Traxxas also offer that service, you can send your useless engine and for 120 dollars you get a new one (YS those the same).

If Novarossi doesn't offer this service please make it public so we all know.



Please let us know, I am sure I am not the only one wondering.

Ducati996
11-08-2009 02:20 AM
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