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Tomas Ahl
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> Were there any good lectures at spain ?

Nope. Nothing that I could detect of the sort.

> Were there any hecklers from the spanish inquisition ?

These were also absent...

> Was JB on his bike ?

I never saw him on any bike. He was hunting a full-size Robinson 44 a couple of times though...

> Who was commentating ?

A guy named Tobi Webster whom I as a non English person have never heard of. He was dry and impersonal only presenting the pilots completely emotionless. He showed no insight into the hobby what so ever. For my unknowing ear it seemed that he knew Spanish though... He must be replaced with the previous commentator or somebody of the same caliber with suitable language skills, if you ask me.
08-02-2009 08:37 PM
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J2M
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RIP? I think it's a shame that some feel a need to pour scorn from the sidelines. Some thoughts:

- is there another event that has such an international pull in terms of pilot representation or has such credibility in terms of finding the best all-round pilot? Can't think of one personally

- surely it was a good idea to escape the British weather? Wasn't the weather in Northampton pretty poor over the 3DM weekend?

- while it's true that not everything went well this year, it was still an opportunity to see fantastic flying and it doesn't mean that next year's event can't improve

- some of the glitches/disappointments might have more to do with the organisers being let down by people who agreed to do things and then didn't rather than a lack of effort/planning by the organisers

- To take place at all, an event of this size needs money as much as it needs organisation. One example - try reserving hundreds of rooms anywhere without paying a deposit and see how far you get. My point is that it's unrealistic to expect 3DM to remain free of commercial influences.

- would any of those critising be willing to spend 6 months of their own time organising next year's event at an overseas location of your choice and put up money to finance it? Hmm. Can't see any volunteers...
08-03-2009 02:44 PM
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TOSH
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J2M

Maybe at this point you should declair your connection to the 3DM.

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08-03-2009 03:26 PM
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J2M
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Maybe at this point you should declair your connection to the 3DM.

Happy to do so. For anyone wondering what TOSH is talking about, I have been one of the judges at 3DM for the last 3 years. In case the cynics ask, I've no other interest in 3DM, organisationally or financially.
I am more aware than most of the effort, challenges and unforeseen difficulties that Jeff and others face in staging the event and I repeat that I think it's a shame that there seems a greater desire to focus on the negatives than the positives. Maybe perceptions will change when video footage is more widely available and people can see that there were some great performances from the pilots.
08-03-2009 03:54 PM
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Yug
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I think the "negatives" are more a reflection of peoples frustration over lack of info on the event given that many could not attend due to it being in Spain. I for one was quite miffed that there were no live blogs, bits of video or anything by which I could follow the event. This has not been the case in previous years.

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08-03-2009 04:44 PM
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J2M
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I for one was quite miffed that there were no live blogs, bits of video or anything by which I could follow the event.
I don't blame you. That has to be fixed in future
08-03-2009 04:56 PM
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TOSH
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Maybe perceptions will change when video footage is more widely available and people can see that there were some great performances from the pilots.

l don`t think the performances of the pilots was ever in any doubt.

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08-04-2009 07:54 AM
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naked painter
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One thing that struck me watching what links there have been, is how boring it's become just watching a 3D vid.

I really apreciate the skill of those involved and enjoy trying to follow them but I've just found that watching it doesn't do it for me anymore.

Maybe I'm 3D'd out, I don't know. I just get more entertainment from youtube.
08-04-2009 10:07 AM
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Heliguychris
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I still luv ya 3DM

Just dont leave us out in the cold like that again !
08-04-2009 10:10 AM
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mylee
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l don`t think the performances of the pilots was ever in any doubt

+1


EXACTLY. That's not the issue here.
08-04-2009 01:59 PM
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leadlag
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08-04-2009 04:13 PM
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Kinger
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Agree with naked painters post. Most 3D vids have become somewhat boring to watch. I think that's a result of everyone and their brother flying so well and the fact that as you improve personally as a pilot you become less and less impressed or fascinated by what other pilots are doing. I think you are already seeing guys moving further and further away from smack type flying and speed/precision flying is becoming more commonplace. Who knows, we may even see a return of more folks to the FAI style of flying.

One thing is for sure, I have watched two of Duncan Osborn's flights from 3DM and I absolutely love the way that guy flys. Fast, precise, technical and creative.
08-04-2009 04:35 PM
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Jasper7
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Kinger

Spot on, its the precison Duncan Flies, the heli follows the same trail.

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I have watched two of Duncan Osborn's flights from 3DM

Could you post the Links if it was this years.

Just a shame it wasn't on home turf

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08-04-2009 06:39 PM
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Nightstalker
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some vids here and Duncans flight to music and also the R44 twat that up set jeff lol

copy and paste below


http://www.rcHeli Resource.com/video-coverage-3dmasters-2009/
08-04-2009 07:44 PM
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Kinger
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Yep, that's where I saw the vids. Wish Duncan would make it to IRCHA some year.
08-04-2009 09:07 PM
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Nightstalker
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May be hes waiting for a formal invite
08-04-2009 09:19 PM
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leadlag
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- is there another event that has such an international pull in terms of pilot representation or has such credibility in terms of finding the best all-round pilot? Can't think of one personally




I think that there are now many events around the world that do attract the top comp pilots and demonstrators and test the pilots along the same format.Just look at the events page and RRTV. 3DM used to be THE competition but we are starting to see top pilots missing off the lists at 3DM and not just competitors but also well known demonstrators.

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surely it was a good idea to escape the British weather? Wasn't the weather in Northampton pretty poor over the 3DM weekend?




I think most people would rather take a chance with the British weather than have seen the competition moved overseas. The event has been well supported by heli flyers and trade from this country and others since its inception. To move it overseas is a little bit of a slap in the face to its majority supporters which are the uk trade and uk heli flyers.

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some of the glitches/disappointments might have more to do with the organisers being let down by people who agreed to do things and then didn't rather than a lack of effort/planning by the organisers


Or could it be that moving it to Spain caused problems to people who traditionally support the event?Moving it away from where its well supported and relying on different people to provide important functions a good idea?

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To take place at all, an event of this size needs money as much as it needs organisation. One example - try reserving hundreds of rooms anywhere without paying a deposit and see how far you get. My point is that it's unrealistic to expect 3DM to remain free of commercial influences.


It does take money and the event has been sucessful for a good few years. It was supported by people giving generously but also the prices were reasonable to the trade,demonstrators. But those same people have seen large price inflation charged in very recent years. Is this large price inflation in overheads justifed or is advantage being taken of the competition's increased prestige? This only has the effect of annoying long term supporters who will no longer take part. Good long term commercial sense?


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- would any of those critising be willing to spend 6 months of their own time organising next year's event at an overseas location of your choice and put up money to finance it? Hmm. Can't see any volunteers...



No I don't. So what you are saying? Is it that no one can criticise the event unless you organise it?

Those that have been to the Masters, especially those who have been since the early years which I including myself only want the event to improve. If you see it being ruined then you want to naturally speak up. By your reasoning we should just not say anything?

This years 3DM was a big step backwards. If we the people who normally attend 3dm and pay our money to be a part and buy kits,engine and gyro's can't say it who can?
08-04-2009 11:02 PM
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xfc3dcd
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Duncan has a standing invitation to the XFC but hasn't been able to make it yet.

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08-04-2009 11:03 PM
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Nightstalker
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leadlag you make some good points there spot on
08-04-2009 11:20 PM
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J2M
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I think that there are now many events around the world that do attract the top comp pilots and demonstrators and test the pilots along the same format.
There's certainly a plethora of competitions but is there another one that, to take one dimension, attracts competitors from as many as 19 different countries.

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we are starting to see top pilots missing off the lists at 3DM
Agree that this happened this year in respect of the US contingent which was a real shame. Personally, I would have loved to have seen Danny Yetschin and Tareq al Saadi compete too. Anyone know why these guys didn't show?

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I think most people would rather take a chance with the British weather than have seen the competition moved overseas.
What do you base that on I wonder? It's understandable that the UK heli community is miffed that this home-grown competition moved abroad this year but anyone listening to the complaints from pilots, spectators and others following the Glastonbury style event of 2007 and the not much improved weather in 2008 might reasonably have concluded that there's no way the competition could stay in the UK. Just goes to show it's impossible to please everyone all the time.

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But those same people have seen large price inflation charged in very recent years. Is this large price inflation in overheads justifed or is advantage being taken of the competition's increased prestige?
No idea whether that's true or not. Are you speaking as a member of the trade?

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No I don't. So what you are saying? Is it that no one can criticise the event unless you organise it?
Of course not! To be honest, it seemed to me that there's a small number of people on this thread who I doubt would have the energy and commitment to make something like 3DM happen but are all too ready to criticise this year's event (which was in no way perfect) just because they're upset that the event moved from the UK. Constructive criticism is absolutely OK by me and necessary.

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This years 3DM was a big step backwards.
From whose perspective exactly? If you live in the UK and your perspective is that 3DM should always happen in the UK and you aren't willing or can't travel to watch a competition, then fair enough, 3DM was a non-event for you. If you're a trader and you feel you've missed out on a money-making opportunity, again you'll be upset. If you're a fan of 3D and made the effort to go to the competition, you might well have had a good time.

Having said all that, I have to agree there's a quite a few things that I personally hope will be improved including catering (when has 3DM ever had good catering btw!), trade stands, live reporting on the web (blog, pictures etc.), better facilities for the pilots, a location that has better flight connections from around the world, demo pilots who crash a little less often, compulsory attendance by all my favourite 3D pilots from around the world, better judges chairs, hot blondes providing drinks and cold towels for the judges. I'd better stop there
08-05-2009 10:05 AM
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