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e-Compass Atom - 600E > This is awesome customer service Re: Atom phasing
 
 
outerlimits
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Location: MI ,Grosse Pointe

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It was not clear that Compass was looking into this "Problem / Concern". All we have heard from there "Representatives". Was that there is no problem that the off set phasing is designed that way. But if there is a Problem it is because of poor blade quality. "Radix"?? Today was the first that it was said it being looked into at all and that's by a distributor not Compass. This was buy KBDD which has a Great reputation so I'm sure they will do a good job.

This was going to be my next heli. I went as far trying to convince my local hobby shop to pick up this brand. But the way Compass is being Represented in the last thread with exception of a couple. I'm not sold. I Don't think you should tell a customer that there is no problem or that if there is a problem. They should just Mix it out with the radio and be happy? When did Compass become as big as Microsoft where they can tell there Costumers to deal with it? So it went from being my next heli to being between the Protos and the Atom. I think I will hold off and see.


Outerlimits
12-04-2008 06:03 AM
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audio131
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Location: swansea , mass , usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		hi

look,, like stated- if you are going to sit there doing(boring) large loops, you may(MAY) have a problem..... other than that i see none on mine,, watch all the videos on the atom,it flys great!!! there is only a hand full of people crying that their 500 is not a precise pattern fai fc3 ship )... like i've said "i don't think 500's were ever designed to be like that" ,, they are fast fun ,over powered shiped to fly...

Joseph kelly, ,Outrage formula fuels,,n.e. helicrew club member
12-04-2008 12:35 PM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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i don't think 500's were ever designed to be like that

Be like what? Helis that will respond to your inputs as you give them? Hell, a Blade CP will respond to inputs as you give them, so will every 450 I've ever flown, every other 500 I've flown, in fact, every heli I've flown will respond to your inputs purely with the exception of the the T-rex 600 which is off by a degree or so, but it is so minor that it rarely shows up. It's strange that you think that 500s are specifically not designed to fly cleanly.

You keep posting that and you are the only one that has said a 500 should fly like an Fai machine. No one else has posted that it should, only that if you give the heli a pitch command, it should respond by having a pitch response, not a pitch response with some roll.

If you think it's something that will only effect big loops, you desperately need to learn about the aerodynamics at work here and fly some helis that do respond properly. It's not just in big loops, when you are demonstrating a problem, you use the most obvious and easiest way to demonstrate it, and a big loop is a pure pitch input that is constant over a long period of time, so the roll interaction iwll build up more than a quick tight flip.

This is happening EVERY time you move the controls, it's just that inputs that begin and end quickly don't give enough time for the effect to really show. You know those tic tocs that constantly pull to the left? Phasing. How about when you just roll it over into an inverted hover, ever notice that if you do a stationary fast 180deg roll that the heli is just a little bit nose up or down from where you started? And then if you give it some collective during the maneuver and do a sideways rainbow that at the end it's WAY out? Phasing. ANY maneuver that requires a heli to respond purely to inputs is effected.

Most people don't fly like they are having a seizure. You obviously do and don't care if your heli flies like crap because you are stick banging so it's not showing up. That's not the case for me, or most people, and getting it fixed will only make it fly better for everyone (even the hard 3d stick bangers out there). So, what is your problem with fixing it? Why do you keep saying that it's not an Fai heli? No one asks for it to be, we only want it to do what it is told. Compared to the other 500s on the market, this is the only one that mixes in its own control inputs to what you do at the sticks. The 500 and Protos are FAI F3C helis compared to this, but 3d just as well. The mis-phasing of the head is nothing but a liability on an otherwise EXCELLENT design.

You may not value a heli that flies smooth and accurately, but many people do. And if you do, this is the worst heli in this size class. If you don't value having a heli that responds accurately to your inputs, then stop leveling your swash, making sure your servos are perfectly at 90deg etc, because they are all going to have similar effects to the phasing being off.

Nick Crego
12-04-2008 01:13 PM
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MrNiceGuy
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Location: Melboue, FL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OK let me get this straight. So If I use Rotortech blades I will have no issues with the phasing since it was designed for these blades?
12-04-2008 01:22 PM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		These are the blades that it flies well with.

http://www.XXXmodels.com/430mmfunke...mainblades.aspx

Nick Crego
12-04-2008 02:05 PM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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Here is something we are testing till the new flybaless Atom parts are available. This is just a prototype.

We also understand that some have had phasing issues with some blades. We are testing and getting as much info on different blades as we can and will pass that info onto Compass.

Thanks Kevin

Thanks Kevin, that's the response I was looking for. I like the blocks to space the grip arms out. Not the best looking solution, but I'm betting it'd be inexpensive and work well. Good job.

Nick Crego
12-04-2008 02:15 PM
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RCHeliJim
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Location: Orem, UT USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I cant see why the compass guys are razing Eury for this. The fact is simply this - there is a flaw in the Atom. Every other heli I know of on the market that has non-adjustable phasing has the phasing set at neutral. This way the heli works well with a larger selection of blades and will roll and flip on axis as expected.

Sure you can program it out, but wouldnt it make more sense to design the heli with neutral phasing so that the majority of pilots with this bird dont have to?? Why build in phasing that apparently only caters to one specific model of blades?

As Eury said - not everyone flies like they are having seizures. Many of us enjoy the difficulty and grace of slower, larger maneuvers. Phasing issues show up big time when you are looking for precision in your flying. BTW, the 500 class is great for precision flying - I do it all the time with my Protos.

If you want to test this out and you dont have an Atom, take a heli with adjustable phasing, knock it out 4.5 degrees and try to do some slow axial rolls and loops - you will find that the heli will not stay on axis without extra input.

Hopefully Compass looks at the big picture with this and makes the simple and inexpensive change to what appears to be an otherwise awesome heli.



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12-04-2008 04:02 PM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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I cant see why the compass guys are razing Eury for this.

Thanks Jim. I'll tell you, this heli is as close to perfect as I've found aside from this one issue. The frames, the tail, power setup, everything. I really like it, unfortunately the 1 flaw is a huge one.

Nick Crego
12-04-2008 05:11 PM
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audio131
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Location: swansea , mass , usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		hi

i just do not have the interaction in my atom, no noseing up,nothing,,and i'm running the radix blades on it,,, i did modify the head a bit when i built it,, heli rolls straight,, i can sit there and tictoc no stop in one place or straight line ,no noseing up or down,,,,as for the rest, prio flips are precise and the best of all my ships,piro funnels smooth and right where i put them,, and yes,,,, most all of these 500's were designed for 3d flyers in mind and p.s.,, i don't use a swash leveler ,never have,never will

Joseph kelly, ,Outrage formula fuels,,n.e. helicrew club member
12-04-2008 05:24 PM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OK, so what's the secret head mod and why haven't you shared that you did one until now?

Nick Crego
12-04-2008 05:26 PM
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eyeflyhelis
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Location: charlotte nc

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		boy am i glad i didnt start this post. i would have been labeled an instigator again. it reasons such as lack of customer support that i left compass for.
out side a few flaws and a lack of wanting to be known for great customer support they are really good flying helis.
its unfortunate it takes a lot of action to get even the simplest things accomplished.
the 2nd biggest problem is hen things are changed and none of the customers are notified, then parts dont line up or match and no one has an answer of why.
like i said at least they fly good!

only you have the power to make no difference!
12-05-2008 01:14 AM
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eyeflyhelis
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Location: charlotte nc

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You obviously do and don't care if your heli flies like crap because you are stick banging
Eury most guys who do stick bang dont even know what a smooth heli is. dont sweat it your point is made it is not correct despite how many excuses the reps decide to make.

but it was nice to hear from kbb that they are working on it.

only you have the power to make no difference!
12-05-2008 01:21 AM
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wings19
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Location: Traverse City, MI

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I just want to throw in here that "stick bangers" can and do fly big also. I love to throw down some smack 3D but I mix up my routines with that and big precise maneuvers also, especially with my N9 because it does that so well.

The point is, no matter what style of flying you do, you want the heli to fly true.

Nick
If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter
12-05-2008 02:49 AM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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I just want to throw in here that "stick bangers" can and do fly big also. I love to throw down some smack 3D but I mix up my routines with that and big precise maneuvers also, especially with my N9 because it does that so well.

The point is, no matter what style of flying you do, you want the heli to fly true.

Absolutely.

Nick Crego
12-05-2008 02:52 AM
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eyeflyhelis
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		wings your wrong. i know a bunch of stick bangers who could not do a big precise maneuver. they never learned. all they have is bang and correct and bang again. i know this first hand since i learned to fly from them and since then learned to fly correctly!

only you have the power to make no difference!
12-05-2008 04:21 AM
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Eury
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Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Don't deal in absolutes. There are people who really don't know how to fly a nice coordinated level turn and stick bang 6 inches from the deck, and others who do. Just like there are guys who will do the smack style flying but mostly like precision. All different types of guys out there.

Nick Crego
12-05-2008 04:54 AM
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wings19
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Location: Traverse City, MI

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Don't deal in absolutes.

Exactly... I know there are guys who can't fly a well rounded routine and then there are guys who can but prefer a certain style.

Just because someone likes to throw down the smack does mean they can't fly big. That's a fact! Make no mistake, I am not talking about the guys who CAN'T because that is a different story.

My point is that you can't group people into stick bangers and FAI, it isn't black and white like that. I can fly a pretty good IMAC and freestyle 3D routine with an airplane since that is what I did before helis. You can't say that just because I fly heli's I can't fly planes or vica versa, I for one like to do it all.

Nick
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12-05-2008 02:09 PM
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eyeflyhelis
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Location: charlotte nc

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i didnt say they couldn't but i said a lot of them cant. in my experience its been more not able to do it then can.
thats all

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12-05-2008 03:01 PM
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audio131
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Location: swansea , mass , usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		hi

wow,, that is impressive,, so you're saying they just went from hovering and skipped over the learning basics(forward flight,LOOPS,rolls,figure 8's) and went to fast precise stickbanging the heli all over the place ,,that's pretty impressive ,,

Joseph kelly, ,Outrage formula fuels,,n.e. helicrew club member
12-05-2008 11:53 PM
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wings19
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Location: Traverse City, MI

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Most anyone who can fly can do a loop but I agree that it takes skill to do a good round loop and other precise maneuvers.

When I flew IMAC airplanes it was tough to get the maneuvers very precise. Anyone who could fly at all could do them, but not to IMAC standards you know, that takes practice and skill.

I can see where someone who loves 3D will concentrate on that and not precision maneuvers and aren't good at them but there are others who practice both.

At any rate, we all want a heli that flies true.

Nick
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12-06-2008 12:15 AM
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