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RonHill
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OMG!! How can anyone argue with such clear proof. "Look at any history book"

Hey, we are still waiting on that proof. Well, actually, I'm not, because I know you're just blowing smoke out .......

Not my fault you don't read and do not know history. In fact, NPR was talking about this yesterday...Again, not my fault you don't listen to news either.

But just for you...Since you are lazy and would rather blame others for you not knowing something. Just use wiki...if that's not good enough, do your own research. I am not going to scan books onto here for you to read.

Hell, I'll give you a wiki link and some quotes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

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Franklin D. Roosevelt, elected in 1932, primarily blamed the excesses of big business for causing an unstable bubble-like economy. Democrats believed the problem was that business had too much money, and the New Deal was intended as a remedy, by empowering labor unions and farmers and by raising taxes on corporate profits.

Sound familiar?

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New regulations and attempts at economic stimulus through a new alphabet soup of agencies set up in 1933 and 1934 and previously extant agencies such as the Reconstruction Finance Corporation did not halt economic stagnation....

After the Recession of 1937, conservatives were able to form a bipartisan conservative coalition to stop further expansion of the New Deal and, by 1943, had abolished all of the relief programs. In 1946, large-scale relaxation of government controls[citation needed] over the wartime economy, including a sharp reduction of taxes, allowed for increased innovation in consumer goods and a marked increase in consumer spending. Unemployment rates also returned to normal levels. The New Deal was, and still is, controversial and widely debated.

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The Roosevelt Administration reacted by launching a rhetorical campaign against monopoly power (Read big business-Ron), which was cast as the cause of the depression

Of course...I could actually take the time and read a book on FDR to you by phone...But I think your mind is made up and no amount of data that is given to you will change anything....So the exercise would be a waste of time and effort.

I have given you some data...The rest is up to you. Of course, you will take the option of ignoring it and staying with the same narrow mindset you started with, IMO.

And some quotes for you:

“Admirers of FDR credit his New Deal with restoring the American economy after the disastrous contraction of 1929—33. Truth to tell–as Powell demonstrates without a shadow of a doubt–the New Deal hampered recovery from the contraction, prolonged and added to unemployment, and set the stage for ever more intrusive and costly government. Powell’s analysis is thoroughly documented, relying on an impressive variety of popular and academic literature both contemporary and historical.”
–Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate, Hoover Institution

“There is a critical and often forgotten difference between disaster and tragedy. Disasters happen to us all, no matter what we do. Tragedies are brought upon ourselves by hubris. The Depression of the 1930s would have been a brief disaster if it hadn’t been for the national tragedy of the New Deal.”
–P.J. O’Rourke, author of Parliament of Whores and Eat the Rich

I have a book here called FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression

You can buy it from B&N.com

You might need this once you realize you don't know all that you think you do.

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helidad2
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maybe this is just the change assw*pe promised us

even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then
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electriciancarl
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Have you heard about the financial institutions?
Have you heard about the unemployment situation?
Have you heard about the automotive industry?
Have you heard anything?

Why come to think of it, I have heard something of those problems. If you take the time to think beyond embarrassing yourself by being a condescending ass, you would realize these things are directly related to the market and available investment capitol.

If the market confidence is restored and investors return their capitol to that market, the unemployment rate will begin to drop as business will have capitol to continue to operate and expand rather than lay off and close down, thereby giving our financial institutions the confidence to resume loaning money without the fear of default based on unemployment and closures.

The economy is like a big wheel, it is always moving either up or down. Market investment is the fuel that drives the wheel. It's simple cause and effect.

You guys need to turn off the TV and read the WSJ like I do every day. There are numerous articles explaining the pullouts by major investors based on what these big earners consider putative taxation policies and economic plans proven decades ago not to work, promised by Obama. It has been reported that over 6 trillion dollars has been sidelined, causing the dramatic drops seen several weeks ago, and fueling the subsequent downward spiral.

Do you really believe major investors would pass an opportunity to buy at todays prices if they thought for a minute Obamas plans to rescue the economy would work? Ridiculous, if Obama had a good plan these guys would be buying up every stock they could get their hands on at todays prices, as would I, in order to capitalize on the positive effect of those plans.

Spew all the liberal propaganda you like, market confidence is the first step to restoring our economy and Obamas economic plans are not producing any of that much needed confidence.

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Dennis
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maybe this is just the change assw*pe promised us

It could very well be. Unfortunately for us all.

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jimco
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Bush on CNN, making speech on economy. Actually admitting what caused this mess.

Honey, where's the check book, it's Fedex again
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hovercraft
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Jimco is talking New World Order type stuff.


No, he's talking neo-nazi type stuff, again.

As, usual.
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armageddon
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electriciancarl
Why come to think of it, I have heard something of those problems.
Yeah, Come to think of it!!! There is your problem. That old complicated task of thinking.


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electriciancarl
read the WSJ like I do every day.

Your ability to read is seriously in doubt here. I guess you've come to the realization, henceforth your need to state otherwise.

On June 5 the DJ was 12,600
On Oct 10 the DJ was 8,500

Election day Nov 4th.

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read the WSJ like I do every day.

I seriouly doubt it.

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WHAT SIGNATURE?
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armageddon
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condescending ass

Self recognition is always a step in the right direction.

Congratulations..



WHAT SIGNATURE?
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Dow up 466 now!

All because of the new first dog.





edit: Up over 550 now! Triumph triumphs over finacial woes!
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electriciancarl
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Yeah, Come to think of it!!! There is your problem. That old complicated task of thinking.

This from someone who has not shared a reasonable thought in as long as he has been here. Obvious to anyone with a modicum of intellect that was condescending sarcasm, in your honor as you are incapable of communication beyond its limitations, and often within them.

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On June 5 the DJ was 12,600
On Oct 10 the DJ was 8,500

Another blatant diversion for lack of the intelligence to respond with logic and reason, and this has what to do with market confidence post election?

I don't know why I ask really, your long standing history of failure to contribute any reasonable response will undoubtedly continue no matter how many opportunities to redeem yourself you are offered. Let's just call it a rhetorical question so as not to add to your immeasurable mountain of humiliating failures to assemble a comprehensive thought. Obviously you are not capable of participating in an intelligent exchange so I understand your desperate need to stick to your strong point, ignorant one liners. You do however make an extremely strong case for the "Obama is supported by idiots" theory. Congratulations on your success in that endeavor.

The bottom line is Obama, though he has successfully brainwashed your infantile mind, has not instilled any confidence into the market as acknowledged by its current averages. Worship your messiah if you wish, but the facts remain, no matter how far up his butt you have your head.

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Dow up 466 now!

It actually went a little higher than that but was the result of bargain hunting after it reached a low under 8000 and the vultures smelled a deal. Though it was good for a few, it isn't an indication of recovery. I wish it was, for everybodys sake.

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drdot
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fwiw..

Not to worry, boys and girls..Capital is now flowing from the capitol,
And let the good times roll!!

John.
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miragewsu
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FACT: I like to POOP!
FACT: I suck at flying helicopters!


Because of the fact I like to POOP I suck at flying helicopters! I have been holding a big one in since this thread started you should see how I fly now!
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LouInSD
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LOL, I see the Repubs are already in pre-whine mode, blaming Obama for all the worlds woes when he doesnt even take the reins for another 60 some days...LOL

Repubs sound like spoiled 5 year olds who throw a tantrum and completely trash their own room then walk away to come back finding their mommy cleaning up after them and then try to blame the mess on mommy...

It's time for the adults to take over now kids...go to your corner and hush now...

oh BTW, don't be traitors...have some respect for the new commander in chief...
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LouInSD
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BTW, I'm up at 4AM every morning listening to a 20 yr Wall Street veteran speak online about the market. (and trading currency during the open of the American session)

The word on "The Street" is that the rallies we have seen recently were Obama rallies. (Historically the markets always respond positively to Dem administrations)

Then the reality started setting in about just how much damage Bush has really done to this country...thus the huge drops we've seen...

It's not gonna be easy cleaning up after you Repubs...but if anyone can do it, it's the team Obama has assembled...
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just how much damage Bush has really done to this country
Volumes have already been written about this saddest of American tragedies and many more will come soon enough -- but I wonder how many will get right the finer distinction that W was little more than Dick Cheney's willing puppet.

For all the evidence already out there which clearly illuminates Dubya to be the half-baked lying crook that he is, Cheney (with the help of Karl Rove) is the one within that treasonously-corrupt administration MOST responsible for America's fall from grace these last eight years. All three should be serving life sentences. At least two should probably be hung from tall trees -- after a fair trial, of course.

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LouInSD
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I couldn't have said it better myself sir...

but fair trial? Bush did away with those, remember? Terrorists don't get fair trials...
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hovercraft
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BTW, I'm up at 4AM every morning listening to a 20 yr Wall Street veteran speak online about the market. (and trading currency during the open of the American session)

The word on "The Street" is that the rallies we have seen recently were Obama rallies. (Historically the markets always respond positively to Dem administrations)

Then the reality started setting in about just how much damage Bush has really done to this country...thus the huge drops we've seen...

It's not gonna be easy cleaning up after you Repubs...but if anyone can do it, it's the team Obama has assembled...

Thanks for your investment strategy, Lou. We will all take note that the "news" is selling "news", rather than anything else.

While you "gloom and doom", regardless of "whom", the rest of us will invest wisely while understanding that your opinion is exactly that.
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