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S76 Mech
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Hope your going with the Ultralight Horizontal Stab

Rick Cotte
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06-14-2009 08:34 PM
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bwellmaker
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Boyd,

That is Girlfriends R-50 and she does a pretty good job of flying it as well. The problem, once she flew my T-Rex 500, that R-50 kind of sits around. That is really a great heli. That heli is actually my very first R-30 V1. It has been completely upgraded to a 50V2 but still has V1 frames. It actually is one of our best flyer's. For 4 years I have been waiting for her to crash to install V2 frames but it has not happened

Rick,

Yes, with static wicks and a Gurney flap too, with lights.

Hey, you do know there is rumor of about a 600 or so size 76 from Scale Jet don't you. I am thinking...

How cool would that be

A trivia question for you guys,

The origin for the Gurney Flap and its function?,



Butch
06-14-2009 11:12 PM
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I know this one, but I'll let it ride for a bit, good question!

Rick Cotte
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06-14-2009 11:16 PM
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History

The "variable lift airfoil" shown in Figure-1 of the 1935 E.F. Zaparka patent, U.S. Patent Re19,412. It is a movable microflap, similar to the fixed Gurney flap.
A Gurney flap on the trailing edge of the rear wing of a Porsche 962.The original application, by automobile racing icon Dan Gurney, was a right-angle piece of sheet metal, rigidly fixed to the trailing edge of the rear wing on his open wheel racing cars of the early 1970’s. The device was installed pointing upwards to increase downforce generated by the wing, improving traction.[4] He field tested it and found it allowed a car to negotiate turns at higher speed, while also achieving higher speed in the straight sections of the track.[6]

The first application of the flap was in 1971,[7] after Gurney retired from driving and began managing his own racing team full-time. His driver, Bobby Unser, had been testing a new Gurney designed car at Phoenix International Raceway, and was unhappy with the car's performance on the track. Gurney needed to do something to restore his driver's confidence before the race, and decided to try adding a "spoiler" to the trailing edge of the rear wing.[8] The device was fabricated and fitted in under an hour, but Unser's test laps with the modified wing turned in equally poor times. When Unser was able to speak to Gurney in confidence, he disclosed that the lap times with the new wing were slowed because it was now producing so much downforce that the car was understeering. All that was needed was to balance this by adding additional downforce in front.[9]

Unser realized the value of this breakthrough immediately and wanted to conceal it from the competition, including his brother Al. Not wanting to call attention to the devices, Gurney left them out in the open.[10] To conceal his true intent, Gurney deceived inquisitive competitors by telling them the blunted trailing edge was intended to prevent injury and damage when pushing the car by hand. Some copied the design, and some of them even “improved” it by pointing the flap downwards, which actually hurt performance.[11]

Gurney was able to use the device in racing for several years before its true purpose became known. Later, he discussed his ideas with aerodynamicist and wing designer Bob Liebeck of Douglas Aircraft Company. Liebeck tested the device, which he later named the “Gurney flap,” and confirmed Gurney’s field test results using a 1.25% chord flap on a Newman symmetric airfoil.[12] His 1976 AIAA paper (76-406) “On the design of subsonic airfoils for high lift” introduced the concept to the aerodynamics community.[13] The Gurney flap is the first aerodynamic development made in automobile racing that has been successfully transferred to aircraft engineering.[11]

Gurney assigned his patent rights to Douglas Aircraft,[9] but the device was not patentable, since it was substantially similar to a movable microflap patented by E.F. Zaparka in 1931, ten days before Gurney was born.[14][9] Similar devices were also tested by Gruschwitz and Schrenk[15] and presented in Berlin in 1932.[16]


[edit] Theory of operation
The Gurney flap increases the maximum lift coefficient (CL,max), decreases the angle of attack for zero lift (α0), and increases the nosedown pitching moment (CM), which is consistent with an increase in camber of the airfoil.[4] It also typically increases the drag coefficient (Cd),[17] especially at low angles of attack,[18] although for thick airfoils, a reduction in drag has been reported.[19] A net benefit in overall lift to drag ratio is possible if the flap is sized appropriately based on the boundary layer thickness.[20]

The Gurney flap increases lift by altering the Kutta condition at the trailing edge.[4][6] The wake behind the flap is a pair of counter-rotating vortices which are alternately shed in a von Kármán vortex street.[21] In addition to these spanwise vortices shed behind the flap, chordwise vortices shed from in front of the flap become important at high angles of attack.[5]

The increased pressure on the lower surface ahead of the flap means the upper surface suction can be reduced while producing the same lift.[21]


[edit] Helicopter applications

Double Gurney flaps on a Bell 222UGurney flaps have found wide application on helicopter horizontal stabilizers, because they operate over a very wide range of both positive and negative angles of attack. At one extreme, in a high-powered climb, the negative angle of attack of the horizontal stabilizer can be as high as -25°; at the other extreme, in autorotation, it may be +15°. As a result, at least half of all modern helicopters built in the West have them in one form or another.[22]

The Gurney flap was first applied to the Sikorsky S-76B variant,[11] when flight testing revealed the horizontal stabilizer from the original S-76 did not provide sufficient lift. Engineers fitted a Gurney flap to the NACA 2412 inverted airfoil to resolve the problem without redesigning the stabilizer from scratch.[11] A Gurney flap was also fitted to the Bell JetRanger to correct an angle of incidence problem in the design that was too difficult to correct directly.[22][11]

The Eurocopter AS355 TwinStar helicopter uses a double Gurney flap that projects from both surfaces of the vertical stabilizer. This is used to correct a problem with lift reversal in thick airfoil sections at low angles of attack.[11] The double gurney flap reduces the control input required to transition from hover to forward flight.[22]

Cheers - Boyd
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06-15-2009 01:05 AM
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S76 Mech
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Isn't Wikipedia great!

Rick Cotte
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06-15-2009 01:55 AM
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Yup.

Cheers - Boyd
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bwellmaker
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Boyd gets the Gold Star. Isn't cut and past a wonderful thing. Rick I know you knew the answer.

The reason they looked into this on the 76B was the porpoising with the inverted stab approaching Vne. The flap effectively made the airfoil longer. The stab ended up being symmetrical with the Gurney flap which works very well.

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06-15-2009 02:07 PM
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Copter Doctor
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glad i didnt answer that it is a sheet on the side of the guorney to cover the patient when they slide him out of the heli......

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft
06-15-2009 03:24 PM
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Sandy Squitieri
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flight times are 15-18 min depending on pack size.
06-20-2009 05:46 AM
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bwellmaker
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UIH

A short video of the e-Power Scale Jet 76

I had some reservation about switching mid stream from the turbine to the e-Power but after reviewing the specs and seeing this video, this was more than the right decision.


Butch

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06-20-2009 10:58 AM
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I am lucky enough to have access to build drawings and customer data for this project. It is nice having the full scale counterpart to have as a reference.

Here is the IP. The size is about .10% or so off, but you get the picture. I will just have to enlarge the copy a touch for the correct size. I plan to make a mold of the IP along with the center console when complete.

Butch

06-20-2009 12:56 PM
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Great detailing Butch.

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Some more vids.

www.knipprath.magix.net

NBSW

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06-20-2009 04:41 PM
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Worked the fit of the tail fairings today. They fit very well. A little sand here and there and we have a good fit.

Blades are ordered, servos are on the way, and the speed control and new slider will be inbound soon.

Butch

06-23-2009 09:09 PM
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axemanclint
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Hey man,
What in the world kind of website is that man??? It's all in German or something and none of the videos will play...

Any other place i can go view these videos?? Like YouTube.

"what goes up must come down," hopefully in one piece!
06-24-2009 05:25 PM
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Kaango
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S-76!

Hey Butch,

Thanks for posting the video of my S-76 Elektro being flown in Germany. For those waiting for the video to load, you have to click on the S-76 Elektro link on the left. Unlike Butch, I had the Germans build mine!!

Sandy says they will crate that baby next week and send it stateside for me to stare at and work up the guts to fly it.

I'll be doing a little write-up on it for RCUniverse and will provide the link. I'm going to use MaxAmps 10,000 mAH 6S packs. The ESC has two sets of leads to it will make the serial connection and I'm using the new Hyperion Duo 615 charger which should simultaneously charge both packs in under 45min! In 5 years we'll look back and laugh at that, but for now, I'm excited.

Here's a picture of the beast during test flight 1.

MK

06-24-2009 11:11 PM
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MK,

Thanks for sharing and posting on this thread.

She sure is a beauty, thats for sure. I can not wait to reach this point with mine. There is no dought we will be talking.

Butch
06-25-2009 04:19 PM
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bwellmaker
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How about a little Tail

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Got some tail..

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06-27-2009 10:19 PM
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Nice!

Make sure you retorque that retention plate 5-15 after the maiden!

Rick Cotte
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06-27-2009 10:48 PM
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I will use Safety Cable, F that twisty stuff man.

Helotrac Code 551004 Retention plate Retorque

Are you going to make me shoot the tail every 200 Hrs?

B
06-28-2009 12:36 AM
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