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Wingman77
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Location: Pulaski TN US

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in a pool your muscles will be paralyzed, in fact there have been deaths in pools from ground currents passing through the pool

show me where you got that info.
02-10-2009 07:32 PM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		the pool is energized, you are energized with induced voltage however without a path to ground nothing happens. Provide that path and it's death to all...
just hope the pool doesn't spring a leak..

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02-11-2009 03:40 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		part of my training

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show me where you got that info
as an electrical engineer we did an experiment many years ago at about 50v and with a plastic container and an electrode in each end our hand was paralyzed while in the bowl .....that's proof in a pool you can drown if there is any sort of current flow across a pool even as low as a few volts from muscle paralysis
02-12-2009 05:28 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		oh

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You could in theory get away with this for the same reason they can hook to up hi power lines with a helicopter
you are very brave..... you would DIE
02-12-2009 05:29 AM
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Dwntyme
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		COOP
as I posted this before.... you will not die.
as long as you don't provide a path for the volts to go you and the pool are as one... by you sticking your hands in the bowl of water and your feet(I'm guessing) are still on the ground(yes some shoes are conductive) you will get shocked...


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/c...rker/2878411015

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02-12-2009 05:52 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Dwntyme

are you just thick? you will be paralyzed and die I am not going to argue with you but remember current traveling through water WILL pass through your body AS WELL as the surrounding water let me also say the human body is full of salt.... making it more conductive....path of least resistance springs to mind
02-12-2009 05:58 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		you dont seem to uderstand the concept

I myself have worked on 11kv LIVE and it was without issue.... once you are charged up to the line voltage.... but this is WAY different to imersing yourself into basicaly what is the conductor (water) and let the current travel through your body our experiment involved one electrode at each end of the bowl... nothing to do with feet? duh
02-12-2009 06:01 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yes I'm hard headed However I will say this I work in this stuff all day every day and have to do what the guy in the heli does on a regular basis and have never been shocked.

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02-12-2009 06:01 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		as long as you energize yourself PROPERLY to the voltage of said bowl you would not have been shocked.

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02-12-2009 06:04 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		well I don't believe you

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However I will say this I work in this stuff all day every day and have to do what the guy in the heli does on a regular basis and have never been shocked.
or you would understand what I mean...
what you are saying is with current traveling through the "bowl/pool" it magically goes around your body and not through it? don't think so
02-12-2009 06:04 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Believe what ou want, But if DONE properly you will never get shocked. only one way to do it if you don't do the steps right you will go home fried chicken...

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02-12-2009 06:08 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yes there is no effect until you provide a path.

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02-12-2009 06:11 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		ok then

WARNING TO ANYONE STUPID ENOUGH TO TRY THIS..... DONT it will kill you I have 30 odd years experience as an electrician and now as an electrical engineer DONT TRY IT
02-12-2009 06:12 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		BTW I would like to say to everyone reading this to not try this at all because if done wrong you will DIE.....so don't do it leave stuff like this to the pros...

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02-12-2009 06:18 AM
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hootowl
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Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I don't think it's dangerous. First off, whatever that cord is plugged into will pop the breaker and if it's an outside outlet it's supposed to use a ground fault circuit that will immediately trip at the presence of water over the plug.

That's if the strip sinks.

Secondly, the most driving the outlet would be 20 amps. I don't think 20 amps dispersed in 10,000 gallons of water will hurt you before the breaker kicks.

A bathtub is altogether different.

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02-12-2009 10:29 AM
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Dwntyme
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Location: Antioch

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Bathtub provides a path through the drain.... all it takes is less than 1amp across the heart to kill you...sooooo 20 will work just fine...

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02-12-2009 12:48 PM
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hootowl
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Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yea but in 10,000 gallons of water the path will be so dispersed that it would be insignificant. Most pool electrocution deaths on record have the victim touching the electrical source or appliance with their hand or body while in or around a pool. Also the path of least resistance happens to be the return or ground wire in the cord.

Needless to say, these guys are just plain stupid.








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02-12-2009 12:58 PM
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Skarn
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Location: Pasadena, MD

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hate to tell you coop but wingman and dwntyme are absolutely correct! Without a ground...aka path, you would be perfectly fine.

It's the same with a skydiver caught in high tension lines....as long as he/she doesn't step on the ground, they are fine...

Just because you have been involved in electricity for 30 years does not mean you know everything and can't learn. This is actually basic electricity 101 and if you are truly and electrical engineer, you would know this.

Not trying to flame you or bust your chops, but you sure seem arrogant in your responses to these guys.

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02-12-2009 01:31 PM
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NZ_Nitro
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Location: New Zealand

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		well

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Bathtub provides a path through the drain.... all it takes is less than 1amp across the heart to kill you...sooooo 20 will work just fine
http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~...al_current.html you dont need 20 amps .1 of an amp will do just fine.....
02-12-2009 07:25 PM
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NZ_Nitro
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		no once again you are showing how little you really know

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Without a ground...aka path, you would be perfectly fine
current/voltage will flow through the water, some directly from phase to neutral within the plug but some will also flow from phase through the grounded pool back to the local transformer/nearest earth peg
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It's the same with a skydiver caught in high tension lines....as long as he/she doesn't step on the ground, they are fine...
this is not even close to the same thing! the skydiver wont get a shock because he is sitting at the same potential as the lines, in a pool with a flowing current as I stated above the current has a path to follow
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This is actually basic electricity 101 and if you are truly and electrical engineer, you would know this.
you are a very good armchair expert but you know nothing on what you are talking about ......... current flows through the water to ground....oh and also the person in said water.... all it takes is 100ma to kill you 20-50ma will paralyse you and drown you in the pool GO TRY IT THEN AND TELL ME HOW YOU GET ON?
02-12-2009 07:33 PM
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