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e-JR Vibe 500, Parkmite, Voyager-E > Help!!!! Voyager E

MobileRaptor
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Location: Orange, Texas

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OK, I'm at my witt's end with this thing. The helicopter belongs to a friend who purchased it without advise. He did everything he could do to make it go before handing it over to me.

I have no exp with electric helo's, but I gave it a try. Found several problems which I corrected, things like the the motor was to tight to the drive gear.

Everything is spinning as smooth as it can. sence I don't trust the damm thing I fabed a trainer pod from 2 5/16" wood dowels

The best so fare was about a 20 sec hover before it started oscillating. I don't think the head speed was over 1200 to 1300 RPM.

I set the pitch curve to 50 across the board to give me 0 pitch at all throttle setting (backwards throttle hold) at full throttle I still don't think it got over 1400 rpm with no load.

It has the stock motor. I'm not very pleased with this helo. any help would be good.

Thanks

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FinnDave
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From memory (I had a Voyager E a couple of years ago sold it after 18 flights!) the 'throttle curve' needs to be at about 85% for hover with about 8 or 9 degrees of pitch. Mine would fly OK for about 3 or 4 mins on the stock motor and a 2400 nicad. The wobbling would start as the pack ran down. Perhaps the pack is not charging properly or has a defective cell?

I think that unless your friend is prepared to spend some serious money on a brushless motor ESC, he will be disappointed with eh Voyager E. I certainly was!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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Hoagie1
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voyager wobbling...

I fixed mine by:
1) Verifying the head is a little loose. The spindle should "seesaw" within the head somewhat loosely.
2) higer headspeed. Mine wobbles below 1400. I now run at 1800RPM
-andy

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MobileRaptor
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how are you getting 1800 head speed, I presume not with a stock motor.

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Hoagie1
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yep, definitely not stock. Mine has a Hacker C40-8L, Kontronik 40-6-12, 10 cells, 17 pinion.

I've looked everywhere, but I could not find a definite solution to the wobbling for the stock setup a long while back.

-Andy

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MobileRaptor
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Thanks Andy

Well, I have given the owner of the helicopter the info for the hacker motor, speed control and so forth. Hacker USA recommended an 18 tooth pinion and a 8 cell packs.

IMHO JR either needs to sell this kit with a motor and speed control that actually works or drop the motor speed control from the kit and price it accordingly.

Also the boom seems way over sized, it's the same dia as the Raptor 30. I smaller dia boom would seem to me to save a lot of weight. Everything else seems as lightly made as possible.

What every causes the JR wobble as I have started refering to it needs to be corrected, I can just see doing an auto and three feet above the ground it starting to oscellate. the oscellation would cause more damage than a crash would.

Are the any upgrade available for this helo? if so where can I look for them.

Thankes to all that responded.

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Hoagie1
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For starters, you can forget autorotations on this bird- blades are too light and disk loading is high. You get about 1/2 to 1 second of "hang time".

Second, suggest your voyager flier to go to Ezone or Yahoo groups, where electrics are "accepted" :-) and highly discussed. There are quite a few upgrades, but none really dramatically improve flight enjoyment than a higher power drive system (motor, esc, batteries).

Some of the upgrades I know about:
- MS carbon symetrical blades
- carbon frames, carbon tube (still heavy), carbon fins
- PEK (rotor head enhancement kit)
- alluminium pitch slider, skids
- new alluminium parts such as bearing blocks, radio\gyro mounts, rotor head

DIY upgrades:
- using lighter mini servos
- using a BEC rather than rx battery
- cutting down MS carbon tail blades to fit
- power plant components (as mentioned above)

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FinnDave
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MobileRaptor - I agree with just about everything you say about the Voyager E, and that's why I got rid of mine after only 18 flights. I was lucky enough to find someone who wanted to exchange to for an Ergo 50 CCPM with engine and servos, which I still fly; in fact, I flew it this evening!

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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MobileRaptor
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FinnDave

You should feel terrible

. If it were mine, and had that offer in front of me it would be packaged and shipped fast than it could fly out of the yard under it's on power.

Don't get me wrong, I think electrics are a great idea. But if I were to get into electrics I would have to do a ton of research. (because I know very little about them). I've see a couple of the logo 10 and 20 which seem to perform very well and they would probably be my first choice without any futher research.

Like I said, I think my friend is going to hang with the voyager and order the hacker motor and other required equipment to get it going properly.

I did sell him my orginal learner helicopter which was a Hawk III. It will get him going in the hobby much better then the voyager. 18 min, verses 3 min. After two weeks and two gallons of fuel he's starting to get brave with it, fly out about 100 ft and 30 to 40 ft high and bringing it back. He should be off the trainer gear (rotopod) pretty quick.

He's already asking about his next step up as far as helicopter go's, I recomended either the raptor 50 V2 or a skiddy 50 if he wanted a fifty or a raptor 60 V2 or a fury if he wanted a 60.

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FinnDave
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Sounds like you are steering him the right way

And yes, I had to restrain myself when I got the Ergo, I didn't want to tear the guy's arm off.

My main complaint about electrics, especially the small ones, is that they are often sold as cheap beginners' models; whereas in fact they are more suitable as diversions for experienced fliers, and they are NOT cheap; to equip a Voyager E properly costs more than a decent 50 glow model. For me, the return is not worth the effort or outlay in cash.

David S., Kouvola, Finland

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rwozniak
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MobileRaptor

I have one of these with Hacker C40-8L, Kontronik 40-6-12, 10 cells-3300ma, C/F frames, C/F tail boom, C/F tail fins, MS carbon symetrical blades, C/F pushrod on tail, After all the upgrades it flys super nice with 12min flights, but I wouldn't want to pay for all these upgrades!! I bought this VoyagerE off ebay for $500 and have been happy. Don't know if this helps but thought I would give my 2c worth.

Randy

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cactus
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I have had great success with my VE. The wobble comes from the headspeed dropping below around 1400 rpm or so. Sounds like the voltage is too low or you need to change the pinion to get a headspeed of at least 1500 rpm or higher. I agree on the stock motor combo. JR needs to sell this kit without motor and esc.

My setup:
Hacker B40 7L
12 tooth pinion
Konktronics Smile Esc
UBEC
HS-85 Cyclic/ HS-81 tail
JR 460T Gyro
Carbon Fiber Frames and tail feathers
GRMO Micro V Canopy
Thunder Power 11.1 Volt Lithum Poly Pack 7800mah

All up weight at 52Oz. Flight time over 20mins.

Great flying heli!

Mike

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MobileRaptor
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Well, I think we finally fould the problem. And as usual it was something simple.

I use a Pinnacle charger, An let me say it is a great charger, is near dumb ass proof. And the near is were the problem comes in. I was getting ready for another test flight, the charge rate was set at 3/4 power output which is were I've been charging all along, about 3.5 amps. For some reason I watched the charger go through the battery test and noticed it came up with a 6 cell pack! wait a munite it a seven cell pack.

I reset the charge rate to max, 5 amps and hit go, this time it came up as a 7 cell pack. After the battery fully charged I did a test flight and got pretty close to 4 min of flight time before it started loosing head speed. Sence I started charging at the max rate flight time have been constance at around 3 & half min which is what horizon says it should do.

I'm still not impressed with the performance of the stock motor/speed control but the helo does fly now.

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