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Chickenx10
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id like to know what the reason is behind the high gas prices, its 4.17 for regular and raising here. anyone know whats causing this?

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Everythings all screwed up, I mean everything!
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here's why

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Investors Business Daily estimates there are 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale in the U.S. and Canada. Retrieving just a 10th of it would quadruple our current oil reserves. There is a pool of oil in the Gulf of Mexico that is estimated to be as large as any in the Middle East. There is an equally large pool believed to be in Alaska. The Chinese are attempting to tap into the Gulf oil supply by drilling diagonally from Cuba. I wonder what environmental safeguards they are using?

The fact is that there are environmentally safe methods of extracting oil from shale and drilling in both the Gulf and Alaska. Congress, however, continues to block these efforts. Just last week, the Senate voted to block any extraction from shale in Colorado. In essence, they voted to make your trips to the gas station more expensive, to make air travel more expensive, and to make heating your home more expensive.

That's something to think about in an election year.

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fwiw...


Govt. sponsored monopoly.

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Please see this thread for the answer

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t435236p1/

Only meant in fun guys.

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speculators on the futures market.....................
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speculators on the futures market.....................



Pay no attention to the dick from australia, this is what actually helps keep things in check...



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BJames111
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Kingair,

the problem with drilling within our boundaries, is that the unscrupulous oil companies are NOT going to sell Americans oil at a lower rate! Why don't you understand that???? They are going to drill it, pump it, refine it, and sell it at MARKET price to countries like China, make a large profit and the American public will never realize any savings whatsoever. At the same time we will have damaged pristine wilderness.

I for one, would understand the damage of some of the untouched wilderness if it WOULD lower gas prices back to the $2/gal range, but I'm a realist and it will never happen, so why let them damage our pristine back country at all?

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Maybe congress is just thinking ahead. Whats going to happen when the middle east runs out of oil or if there is such a high demand in the world that production wont keep up. It would be nice to have an untapped resource on our own soil.

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kingair
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bjames, Interesting assumptions, not. Just curious are you and lootard related. You two are certainly cut from the same cloth.

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The price is coming down. Because the U.S. has told the world that we are opening Alaska and Colorado for drilling, Opec has decided to turn up production in the North Sea.

Sweet crude for July delivery was down $2.45 at $126.40 a barrel in electronic trade on the New York Exchange by afternoon in Europe. The contract fell $3.34 to settle at $128.85 a barrel Tuesday, the first day of trade after the Memorial Day holiday.
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I for one, would understand the damage of some of the untouched wilderness if it WOULD lower gas prices back to the $2/gal range, but I'm a realist and it will never happen, so why let them damage our pristine back country at all?

Hmmm... Pristine wilderness, or keep funding Muslim terrorists... I say drill right through the moose if it gets in the way!

Oh yeah, one more thing about the high gas prices. The value of the U.S. dollar has fallen so far that gas prices had to go up just as fast and just as much as the dollar fell.

Does it hurt? a little. Is anyone being raped? hardly...

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I say drill right through the moose if it gets in the way!



you would.

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1stPlace
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you would.

And you would rather keep giving terrorists billions and billions of dollars so they can kill us all. Thanks Brian!

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Simple,GREED!The barrels have drop a little in price this week,no change at the DAMN pumps though!
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anyone know whats causing this?

ig-nant voters!

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The most ignorant are the tree huggers who seem to think that drilling and such is going to destroy the "pristine wilderness".

Whether drilling will bring the price down or not is a separate debate, but as far as destroying the wilderness, we heard the same thing when the Alaskan pipeline went in. Guess what, the wilderness is thriving and we destroyed nothing.

Stop coming up with petty excuses..if we can put a man on the moon, we can certainly drill for oil without destroying the environment.



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OzarkCopterBum
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I've posted this at several other forums and all I've gotten back is a blank stare, no one seems to want to talk about it, especially people that think that more drilling is the answer.

According to CIA fact book, Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the US which would mean they have an abundance or they wouldn't be selling it to us. Next check Gasbuddy and see that they are paying pretty much the same price in Canada as we are here. How come they appear to have an abundance, yet are stuck in the same boat as us?

Then everyday I turn on the TV and see Marathon Oil with a big slick ad bragging about their multi billion dollar LA refinery expansion that will nearly double their output and checking their press releases for Oct 07 announcing a large working find in the Gulf of Mexico and their timetable to actually tap it.

http://www.marathon.com/News/Press%...ase/?id=1058794
http://www.marathon.com/News/Press%...ease/?id=927825

So where does all this "liberals won't let them drill or refine" whining come from? You can't call "liberal media" on this as its straight from the horses mouth. Are they lying to their shareholders? Also if Marathon is able to drill in the Gulf AND expand refineries then I can only assume that other oil companies are following suit though I didn't check.

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1stPlace
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no one seems to want to talk about it, especially people that think that more drilling is the answer.

That's because they were to lazy to do any research, and because they don't want to give an uninformed opinion. I'll tackle it though.

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Next check Gasbuddy and see that they are paying pretty much the same price in Canada as we are here. How come they appear to have an abundance, yet are stuck in the same boat as us?

Canada is a net exporter of oil. They sell every drop that they produce. If they had nationalized oil production, then they may enjoy $2.00 a gallon gas. But they don't, because they sell all of it. That in turn, causes their price at the pump to be equal to what their market will bare.

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Then everyday I turn on the TV and see Marathon Oil with a big slick ad bragging about their multi billion dollar LA refinery expansion that will nearly double their output and checking their press releases for Oct 07 announcing a large working find in the Gulf of Mexico and their timetable to actually tap it.

Finally! After 32 years of our refineries closing and our wells running nearly dry, we are finally doing something about it! U.S. oil production is at it's lowest level since 1949. In that time, the demand for oil has increased exponentially.

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So where does all this "liberals won't let them drill or refine" whining come from? You can't call "liberal media" on this as its straight from the horses mouth.

Why didn't they drill 30 years ago, or 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago? Because environmental legislation pushed through by liberals with a "not in my back yard!" mentality, made it nearly impossible to maintain U.S. oil production, let alone increase it to meet growing demands.

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Are they lying to their shareholders?

No, and what is the sense in that question?

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Also if Marathon is able to drill in the Gulf AND expand refineries then I can only assume that other oil companies are following suit though I didn't check.

Why is Marathon able to drill now, yet they couldn't drill and increase refinery capacity in the past 30 years? Because of H.R. 3893!

On October 7, 2005, By a razor-thin 212 to 210 margin, the U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation sponsored by Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) that allows the President to designate sites on protected public lands for construction of oil refineries. The Republican majority kept the vote open well past the official deadline, reversing what would have been a defeat for the bill.

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Also if Marathon is able to drill in the Gulf AND expand refineries then I can only assume that other oil companies are following suit though I didn't check.

Yes, they will. Thanks to Republicans and Bush passing that bill in 2005.



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Realistically, more domestic drilling (at least of KNOWN reserves) would not yeild much in production and that production would not come online for many years. This changes if we discover new oil fields, but according to this article expanding domestic drilling would yield only 2 Million barrels a day of new oil. Compared to the current world demand of 85 Million barrels a day the benefits certainly won't bring the prices down by any appreciable amount.

CNN Money Article

The bigger question is: Why are new wind farms and industrial solar plants not being developed at a faster pace? Every proposed wind farm is mired in legal red tape with environmentalists, utilities and government agencies bickering. Industrial solar plants are still just in the experimental stage. We NEED expensive oil to force our society to move toward renewable energy in a serious way.

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OzarkCopterBum
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Say what? Speaking of doing research, you should try it.

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Canada is a net exporter of oil. They sell every drop that they produce. If they had nationalized oil production, then they may enjoy $2.00 a gallon gas. But they don't, because they sell all of it. That in turn, causes their price at the pump to be equal to what their market will bare.

I googled Canada refinery and these were the first two that popped up.

http://www.irvingoil.com/company/refinery.asp

The Irving refinery in Saint John is Canada's largest, producing over 300,000 barrels of quality finished energy products per day. From that daily production, we export approximately 175,000 barrels of petroleum products to the US Northeast, including 100,000 barrels of reformulated gasoline (RFG)—that's about 42% of all Canadian petroleum exports and about 45.5% of US RFG imports.

http://www.petro-canada.ca/en/media/282.aspx

Known as the “brand of choice,” selling approximately 16% of total petroleum products sold in Canada in 2007

In 2007, the wholesale Petro-Pass network, which includes 229 truck stop facilities, continued to be the leading national marketer of fuel in the commercial road transport system in Canada


Care to site any sources for the rest of the info you provide?

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