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shuttlepilot
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If you look at Ripmax's post history, you will find that he spends most of his time trying to hijack a thread and put a negative twist on things in this forum.
I truly think it is some sort of deep seated jealously...... kind of reminds me of my ex wife.

JA practices his 3d and F3C moves with his QWW heli and has a great deal of experience in the hobby.

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ripmax
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		you guys talk and talk and talk.... but I see no hard core 3d video.
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Quick Worldwide
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		MAYBE YOUR THE ONE

I PM'ED you WITHOUT ANY REPLY. Why don't you respond & show us all what you got.
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JA Allen
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Location: NYC

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I dont see what rip-whatever his name is says, I have him on that useful "ignore" feature here, you guys should use that as well, for these types.

As for the Vid, yes I am putting it up, dont worry. As for "hard core" 3D, there is really no such thing. 3D flying is 3D flying, and my vid has that.

The dominator is no longer in my fleet as well, sent off for my Dad to fly as it has been tested and he will get plenty of use out of it, it was only a 70, so I had to make room for my other 90 machines.

I will get that vid up ASAP, I promise, just not home at the moment. Work trip at the moment.

I would actually like to see what this other complaining bro can do as well? And also why he feels that QWW machines cant do what other machines can do? If he was a good pilot, he can make any machine do what others can do. That, my friends, is the truth. If you know what you are doing, any heli can do anything. Plus, its not a competition, I do that elsewhere, so why is it he sees fit to keep bitching about useless minutia? I dont get it. Who cares actually, its a fkn hobby. LOL!
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Billebob
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Irwin or company,

What is the spindle gage?
What gage are the bolts attaching the spindle to the grip?
These things need to be asked since an 8mm spindle drilled sideways to 4mm leaves much to be desired. (Blade bolts look to be 4mm while most have moved to 5mm.)

Will the extra parts in the multiplier arms offer a better performing helicopter? Where did this multiplier idea originally come from and why did the inventor drop it?

ripmax may be a pain to some but it at least caused me to reason a little deeper into this contraption and look before I leap.If these things are engineered as I suspect then 22 years have taught HHI little in engineering. If not well then good for them. Just so you guys know exactly what you are dealing with have a look at the spindle picture and the link origin from QWW



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Chris Paul
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM??

Re Topic: BAT 70 Build Post

Hi Billebob

If you have something informative to add please feel free to do so.

If you want information & support please feel free to call 610-282-4811 for all the tech infor we have. However it is clearly UNACCEPTABLE to post senseless post just to get another BOO YA...

If you have no experience other then your conjecture about our products you really have nothing to say...If you what information then call, but be respectful & you will get respect back...Irwin
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JA Allen
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Location: NYC

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		BillieBob,

For one, you are not very versed in what QWW offers for the machines they sell. Actually, I will help you understand more about them.

The spindle and head assembly your referring to is a specialized head that was made available for the PRO type machines many years ago. It had alot of adjustable means and was geared for more stable F3C type of flying at the time. I never liked it either, I hate the design of that head, but that doesnt mean it does not do what was intended.

Now, they use on most machines, and exclusively on the bat series, a sport head with stiffer damping. QWW did look into it, and thats why this head is used now, with some updates now. A one piece feathering shaft (do not have measurements, but its huge and strong. John or Chris or Irwin can provide that), as all machines do today. In fact, the head used in the BAT series are virtually IDENTICAL in diameter on all parts, including the grip bolts to my Avant. You can use 4mm or 5mm blade bolts. I used 5mm for my Vblade 690's.
I used this head in my Dominator 70. Only real difference is the Avant is a tad more refined in adjustments and can be programmed, and maybe a bit more robust in the hub, but the geometry and design is the same, as is the same on the MA Stratus and Vibe 50. Look harder and you will notice the same. This head is robust and strong as hell. I am not BSing anyone. Its is as good a rotor head as many, and can be changed through damper and shims as all other. I will say, the QWW Shaft system and sport heads are very good. I never had a problem with them.



I dont fly for QWW, and I dont speak for them. I would still be flying the QWW machines, but my reasons for not doing so have nothing to do with the product, so face it, but facts are facts. Its important to know facts before you post.

Hope this helped, BillieBob

JA
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Billebob
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		JA,
Helped,not really,

Since you claim to know so much about this head and I so little why did you not answer two simple questions I requested.
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What is the spindle gage?
What gage are the bolts attaching the spindle to the grip?

It has two spindles and not a single one as you imply because there is no hole in the head block pictured earlier in this post for a single spindle to pass through. Maybe I missunderstood your meaning?

Either they drilled a 3 or 4mm hole through the 8mm spindle or they didn't, The QWW site says they did.


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JA Allen
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Location: NYC

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Your talking about TWO diff rotorheads.

You keep bringing up the older head, I am telling you about the newer head used on my Dominator and all the Bat series helis, which this thread is about. I told you I do not use the older head design, so, call HHI for info on that. Again, QWW has TWO heads.
I KNOW what I am helping you with, as I tried to help you understand the difference between the two.

Call QWW/HHI for more info then if my help is not enough information on the older "two spindle" head.

I've got flying to do. I did a post on assembling the head I am talking about, I may have deleted the photos. I will take new photos of it before it gets shipped to my father, so you can see it, and I will measure the parts and take it apart for you, so you can see the differences and that the design is as strong as what is already used out there.

Enjoy and Good luck flying,

JA
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Billebob
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Two pictures from page 1 of this post. Maybe I'm really dumb these days so could you explain to a simpleton why these photos are posted in the thread by the Bat reviewer? Page one of this post and 2nd and fourth down. Why it is posted here if that is not the Bat product as shipped.
So if the Bat comes with another head the one shown is still a a questionable design to be steered away from even though not part of the kit as laid out by the poster. Why would you call an inferior product a pro head? I'm not trying to be hard to get along with but the head shown on page 1 of the Bat post is different from your description and the one I question. Thanks for looking into the spindle size etc for me.




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JA Allen
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Location: NYC

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		BillieBob,

Yes, that head is the older of the designs, and should be taken out back, and shot and buried. I hate that design. I dont know why, this poster, opted for this head. If indeed they are still giving this head with a 3D purpose bird, that is ridiculous. But I do know they come stock with a good head. I have to admit, that rotorhead needs to be dis-continued. Has no use today, no need for that complexity and strange design twists.

I will take the photos and show you the differences.
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rsalazar
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Billebob

At the beginning of the post ZXXflyer said:

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It will be converted from a NIB ND90 kit that I had on the shelf. The conversion parts arrived yesterday and shipping was lightning fast. It was packed and organized very well.
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shuttlepilot
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OK boys...read this from the FIRST POST

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It will be converted from a NIB ND90 kit that I had on the shelf. The conversion parts arrived yesterday and shipping was lightning fast. It was packed and organized very well.

Does everyone notice the word CONVERTED? He already had this head. Yes it is the old pro head, and I'm not the fondest of it either. It was too soft for my liking. QWW does have a new "pro" head that I like much better, but for me, the sport head with a single spindle does just fine.

Anyway....to BillieBob's original issue with the spindle. There has NEVER been a failure of this piece that I am aware of......no matter if you like the design or not....it hasn't failed, and probably never will....unless you crash it and don't check out the spindles before you fly it again.

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shuttlepilot
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		rsalazar

You beat me to it...

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rsalazar
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I will be posting some photos of the head that I have in the bat that I am building.

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rsalazar
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		These are the photos of the head


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rsalazar
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Another set of photos

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JA Allen
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thank you Rsalazar and Shuttle.

I too missed the "Converted" part, and apologize. Thanks you also for the pics rsalazar, I dont have to do it now.

I still stand correct in that the head Rsalazar pictured is the correct current (and great) head QWW uses now, and that I also use.

It is a great rotorhead, with specs of current machines out today, and will run wonderful for you rsalazar!

If you need any tips on making it really scream, with only normal tweeks damping and delta settings, PM me brother!

Thanks guys. At least we know wth we are talking about.

JA

PS: Just for fun, because I am really getting sick of all the "knowledgeable" heli guys coming into the QWW forum and talking sh$t. Here is a pic of a new heli's rotorhead. Wow, look at that! Close to the same design!



Sure some differences, shiny, maybe a tad more adjustable, but still the same great design as many more...wow, the QWW rotorhead looks pretty damn close to me, and was made a while ago. Means it must work, huh?

This is so laughable, I am done. But again, thanks Shuttle and Rsalazar!
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ripmax
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		talk is cheep.... lets see a video of any quick flying as good as the aurora you pictured

there were more aurora videos out before it was realeased than there are quick videos now
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