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Tandem Rotor Helis Vertol Chinook > My new chinook e conversion
 
 
tow cobra
Senior Heliman
Location: Riverhead, NY

I have had the belt slippage problems as well and when the blades start to slap each other at about $200 a set, it really gets you.

That's why I didn't want to try any lube on the belt unless someone here with experience said that it worked. So I guess I'll go without lubing the belt unless someone surfaces and tells us that this is a good idea specifically for the chinook.
12-05-2008 02:29 PM
 
 
tow cobra
Senior Heliman
Location: Riverhead, NY

Just to let you guys know, several of us have had the main gear strip for various reasons.

Anyway, I lost some teeth in mine due to the increased torque with the electric motor.

Well, I ordered two repalcements. The first is the actual 77t gear made for the chinook and I also noted that Hirobo makes a regular 77t gear for about $5. Anyway, I can't tell the difference between the $5 gear and the $60 stock gear so I'm flying mine with a $5 main gear.
12-15-2008 05:08 PM
 
 
Turbinator
Senior Heliman
Location: Nanticoke, PA

Lube and a timing belt do not mix, it is NOT some thing I would do on my helie nor any machine I have EVER worked on. Lube is for chain drives, clean, oil free enviroment is for belt drives. What I can tell you about belt tension on the twin is if it is too tight it becomes hard to turn and will suck up power, too loose, we'll thats easy, we all know what that does. I have mine set with the deflection recomended in the build manual and tweaked a little from there util it "felt" right. Tweak the adjuster back and forth a little while rotating the heads and you'll feel the difference. Tighten it until it starts to feel notchy then back off a little until it becomes smooth, check the deflection it should be about 3/8", about half way from normal path to other belt. Grab the helie by the heads and try to turn them out of sync and watch the belt, it should not get loose at all. Yes, it is touchy to get it right, get it wrong and it makes a big mess, get it right and you'll find minutes more of flight time with E-power and a much smoother running machine that will last much longer, it is worth messing with to get it right. A little too tight is better then too loose but much too tight is not good either as it can lead to belt break from over heat or bearing failure from too much axial load.

One thing that I found works GREAT on all helies, and all bearing for that matter, is MIDAS TOUCH bearing oil from Boca Bearings in Florida. Apply it to all bearings and you will see the difference immediatly with longer flight times on epower and with glow you will see you will be hovering below half stick as it will take much less engine power to pull into a hover becasue of friction reduction in the drive system. I have used this product for 10+ years and swear by it, it is a "snake oil" that works!! You can feel warm bearing now run cool as a cucumber after applying.
12-19-2008 01:59 AM
 
 
tow cobra
Senior Heliman
Location: Riverhead, NY

Thanks for the info, turbinator.

I have not lubed the belt and based on the advice from you and this forum, I wouldn't do so. Some people do seem to lube Trex belts with success but I haven't done that either and find that my Trex is smooth as silk.

How about tri-flow lube. I got this from heli proz and it seems to work well. Have you or anyone else used this on bearings?

Is the midas touch lube potentially better than this...if so I may have to switch to it.
12-19-2008 02:32 AM
 
 
Turbinator
Senior Heliman
Location: Nanticoke, PA

I can get Tri-flow for free from work, we buy it by the 5 gal pail, BUT I still pay for the midas touch as there is NO comparison with Triflow. The Midas touch you can add to glow fuel, 12-16 drop per gallon and you CAN actually see the difference as with a glow model you will the model hovering below half stick point after adding to fuel and a squirt into the carb to get a coating on the engine bearings. The teflon in the Triflow can gum up and clog things when it gets hot enough. I tried to get work to use midas touch instead but it was too expensive for them to purchase at the quantity we use, bummer!!! I use triflow in places, but not high speed bearings. I used it on my turbine mechanics bearings such as the first reduction stage which turns about 40,000 RPM and the aluminum bearing holder went from running warm to no noticable temp difference from the rest of the frames, it is good stuff. What I use is Midas Touch Glow Power, I swear by it, it makes even a problem bearing a happy bearing!! I add a squirt to my turbine fuel mix also, 5 gal kero, 1 qt of Aeroshell 500 turbine oil, one big suirt of Midas touch, 35 hours on the turbine and bearings sound/feel as smooth as new. This I can not attest to recomending until I have the turbine serviced at 50 hours and see what the report is on the bearings and any deposits in the unit or not, that will be the true test on that use. They make Midas Touch Tail rotor lube also which I have used in many applications also.

Let me now if you want that mount, last one I have and I don't see myself having time to make another batch until late January if this one goes.
12-19-2008 11:18 PM
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Lube!!!

I have always used tri flow but I am going to have to give Midas a try!!!!
You guys haven't steered me wrong yet!!!!!Is Boca the best place to find it????
If anyone is considering doing a conversion, this mount is a "drop" in unit and it qworks Great!!!!
Happy Holidays!!!!Stan

Team Hirobo/MRC --- RCLIGHTS.NET ----- If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about
12-20-2008 05:09 PM
 
 
Turbinator
Senior Heliman
Location: Nanticoke, PA

Boca is the only place I have found it, they private label some type of oil that I have yet to find an Industrial equal for.
12-20-2008 07:37 PM
 
 
tow cobra
Senior Heliman
Location: Riverhead, NY

Anyone able to fly their tandem in the cold.

The ground around my area has been covered with snow for too many days for me to take my chinook out unfortunately.
01-09-2009 03:57 PM
 
 
Camel Jokey
Heliman
Location: Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

I checked out the oil but It seems confusing, which one specifically for bearings are we talking about.

Its also been really cold here this week too, down to a freezing 15 degrees in the mornings.....!
01-09-2009 06:19 PM
 
 
Turbinator
Senior Heliman
Location: Nanticoke, PA

Midas Touch Oil

On the bottle I have and have used for over 10 years it is called "Midas Touch Air Power, R/C Engine Fuel Treatment" This is sold as an additive to put in glow fuel. 12-14 drops per gallon of say cool power 15%, 4-5 drops down the carb, a drop on each bearing, and you could see the difference in hover point on collective stick. What was once a half stick hover became a less then half stick hover. I have been away from my glow models for some years now but still swear by this oil for bearings. On my Turbine 135 I use it every where, including adding a good squirt to each 5 gallon fuel mix. On the first stage turbine reduction where bearing spins about 40,000 RPM the housing that holds the bearings and shaft assy would be warm when running at speed, lubed with Midas Touch it does not change temperature from stopped to running. It is a instrument oil that has to be tried to believe. I have even put it in a syring, drilled a .025" hole in the side of large sealed bearings like say one example my Truck engine timing belt idler pulleys that had gotten noisy but I did not want to change them when changing the timing belt as they were $140 a piece. That was 5 years ago at 140,000 miles, the truck now has 242,000 and I handed it down to my boy and the bearing never made another sound from that day and are still in service. It is GREAT stuff. I put it in bottles and syringes I get from Mcmaster Carr that have needle tips and a bottle is one my bench always. Lube all me helies with it, even ones in storage evry 6 months or so, and the ones I run every 30 or 40 flights a drop or 2 on every bearing I can get too and I have NEVER had a bearing failure EVER. I used to work for bearing distributors early in my career and my profession focuses in Realibility Engineering, lubrication is key to longevity, this stuff works in ball bearings like non other I have ever used.
01-10-2009 02:07 AM
 
 
michaelf
Heliman
Location: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Hi guys,
This is probably a dumb question, but how do you go about taching the head speed on the Chinook using a "Model Avionics Sky Tach" which is designed for two blade heads?
I've just been playing around inside without any blades attached, and it seems that the head speed goes allot higher than the 90% (1650RPM) that I have dialed into the CC85HV, it seems that it just keeps on climbing, before I pull the throttle back.
When the weather cools down some (been over 40C for the last six days), I'll put the blades on and try it outside, I still haven’t had it in the air yet.
02-02-2009 06:19 AM
 
 
dcloukota
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

NHP Blades

Where can I find a source for the Hirobo Chinook rotor blades manufactured by Northern Helicopter Products? I seem to be chasing my tail on the internet.

Cheers, Doug
02-23-2009 05:21 AM
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Chris
Senior Heliman
Location: Staffordshire England

dcloukota

They are made by Revolution Models in the UK here

http://www.revolutionmodels.co.uk/


Chris
02-23-2009 04:25 PM
 
 
dcloukota
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

Re: the tach. I believe if you take the measurement in the two blade mode and multiply it by 0.6666666..., the results will be the correct number for a three blade rotor. i.e. measure 2000 rpm then it's really 1333 rpm. The RPM is actually lower than the reading by 33%. I think that's right.

Cheers, Doug
02-23-2009 04:28 PM
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doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

Using Tach

I am not sure that your tach will do the same thing as the MA I am using, but with the three blade head will show a 6 blade image when the correct image is achieved but on a 4 blade head it will show a 4 blade stop that will give you the measurement... give yours a try and see it does work out the same way... they are both optical tach's....

I have also been looking for a source for the NHP's in the US market, but may have to bring them in from the UK if need be.....

Thanks and hope this bit of info will help you out.... Stan

Team Hirobo/MRC --- RCLIGHTS.NET ----- If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about
02-23-2009 05:02 PM
 
 
dcloukota
Heliman
Location: Glendora, CA

Tach Stuff

The tach I use is a Hobbico Digital Mini-Tach. My guess is that it counts the interrupts per second and converts that to interrupts per minute divided by 2 (2-blade) or 3 (3-blade). Testing it using a 60Hz florescent bulb (actually 120pps) gives you 3600rpm for 2-blade and 2400rpm for 2-blade. If all of the tachs count interrupts then the math works out. Measuring a 3-blade rotor with a 2-blade tach will indicate 1066rpm for a rotor speed of 1600rpm. (reading * 0.66666)

Cheers, Doug
02-23-2009 07:38 PM
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michael f
Heliman
Location: Adelaide - South Australia

Thanks all, I did some plying around myself and found that "Taching" at 1600 rpm on 3 blades shows 6 blades in the view finder, and 4 blades shows 4.
02-25-2009 09:59 AM
 
 
doorman
Elite Veteran
Location: E.Berne, NY

There You Go!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like it worked out fine for you..... not sure that all tachs will work that way, and my newer Avionics tach does not say anything about it... but the old Minature Aircraft (the original MA!!) had the info in the instructions.....
Seems like a LOT of people are taking the "plunge" into this type of machine and have very good results.... I know that I really enjoy flying mine!!!!!
Good Luck.... Stan

Team Hirobo/MRC --- RCLIGHTS.NET ----- If there is a cure for this, please don't tell me about
02-25-2009 12:28 PM
 
 
michaelf
Heliman
Location: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Doorman, my tach is the latest "Model Avionics Sky Tach", and there is nothing in the instructions about multi blades. I also sent a email off to Model Avionics asking for more info and they didnt even have the courtesy to reply.
02-26-2009 06:29 AM
 
 
Phoenix NOTAR
Heliman
Location: State College, PA USA

NHP Blades for a Hirobo Vertol.

I am using these blades on my Vertol, and the last place that I got them from was through Tim at Miniature Aircraft. Now this was some years back, and they took many months to actually receive them.

I do not know if they still distribute them or not.

Sandy
02-26-2009 03:13 PM
 
 
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