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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > Looking to purchase a esmart 600..is it same size as TREX600???
 
 
Jag72
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Roxxter...

SgtHeli...to answer your question about the Roxxter...yeah...it's the best one in my opinion...

I wouldn't even put the joker in the same class as the Roxxter as far as 3d flying helis...the Joker is a VERY smooth and is an FAI type machine...it does do 3d but not NEARLY as aggresively as the Roxxter..


The Roxxter is still about the most powerful 3d Machine I have ever personally owned or flown..my flybarless Roxxter 55 is about 12 ounces lighter than the Logo 600 3d vbar helis...I haven't gotten my flybarless 3dmpe finished just yet but it's obvious already to me that the Roxxter is even WAYY lighter than the 3dmpe..I would guess that the Roxxter is about 8 or 10 ounces lighter than the 3dmpe...but we'll have to see

Power to weight goes to the Roxxter....

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tutelar-rc
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Jag:

Your basement workshop is better stocked than some LHSs I have been in.

Thanks for the model feedback.

Happy Flying!
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Jag72
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That's funny...

My wife says the same thing...she keeps mentioning that the basement looks like a hobby shop...

I keep adding stock all the time ...so I may be open for business soon

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helishack
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It's nice to jump in on a topic and see some familiar names. Jag/Slider, how have you guys been? I've been "off the grid" for a while - lot's lof travel (over 100K frequent flyer miles last year alone)!

Anyway, I think it's great that you guys and several others jumped in to help rhampton with his ES600 pre-purchase questions.

I actually moved and sold off my "stuff" and the ES600 buyer got a killer deal from me - w/the 401 gyro, stretch kit - longer boom+belt, Align 100A ESC, 3A switch-mode BEC, 6-ch rx, servos, and too many parts to mention. One of the first things that I did do though was upgrade the swash to all metal - very smooth, as well as buying the metal washout (comes with metal arms - and it's REALLY low cost to get these upgrades. The tail rotor grips I dislike, but that's another cheap replacement that was already discussed in this forum...

Anyway, just wanted to kick back on a Fri. night (while the kids are all tucked in and the wife is cramming for a test) and say hi. RHampton, you made a great decision - you won't regret it. Good job on sticking to your guns to get your questions answered. When I sold my ES600, I sold so many spares (crash replacement parts) because of two reasons:

1) I bought a lot of spares 'cause they're very low cost
2) She flies so well I didn't need to fix her all the time - crash, what crash?!

Before the summer kicks in here in San Diego I'm going to pick up another one. I convinced the owner of a decent LHS to carry the ES600 and spares - he's got literally every part to build one from scratch.

I'm VERY familiar with the heli so it's going to be a pleasure to sit with another one and build her up. Since I'm not really into 3D I am considering a fiberglass fuselage for a Hughes 500E. That's going to be a lot of fun.

Just for the record, and I know A LOT of people don't agree, I took (4) very good and identical 3S batts and connected (2) of them in series, another (2) in series, then connected those packs in parallel to get 6S2P 4400mAh. 8-10 minute hard sport flying no problem! Batts stayed cool and I didn't suck them down to below 85%. Yes, I know - that's the "poor-man's" technique. The batts fit well in the fuselage and didn't cost me extra since I use them on my RC vehicles as well as other helis. Plus chargers that can charge 3S at 2.2A (2200mAh) are REALLY low cost (a Polycharge is only $99 at hobbypeople - but you can't see how much you put back in, unless you use something like an EagleTree Data Logger - indispensable if you have any type of electric-powered projects or hobbies.).


Cheers!

Jeff

p.s. Jag, I'd love to see your "Hobby Shop"! Can't wait to put mine together in the new house...!!
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rhampton
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Awesome Advice...here's my progress report

ok my 1st progress report and many more to come when i actually get the Heli which will come Wednesday...
In the mean time i took everyones advice..1st of all i did order the E-smart 600 with Motor, Longer Tail boom with Belt..$225 New shipped..Shoud have Wednesday...

Got a 5s Bat from Jag72 like he suggested i can use...$100

I'm bidding on a Item for 4 DS821 Digital Servos..Bid will probably end at $60..

Goin to Local Hobby shop..They said they had a Bat Charger that Charges 3 to 6s batteries and this bat charger also plugs into the wall and has a ballancer built in...$149..

I already have a 75A Esc from my Jr Voyager E..

I now need to get a Bec with battery...castle creations BEC 10amp ???? is this a good BEC? i think Jag72 mentioned this but just want to confirm....What battery should i use with this Castle Creations....

I have a Gyro and Tail servo being delivered..i forgot the Model but i think it's a JRG800 and the 500g Tail Servo...Something like that..Paid $130...

Sooooooo, as far as payments...So far this Particular Heli with all the parts i mentioned above comes to about $650.....

It is a bit much...i could have gottem a Trex600 on RR for $650 with 1 bat and maybe 3 Digital Servos....But i'm taking you guys advice cause you said the Esmart is about the same size as a Trex 600......YOU ALLLLL BETTAAAA BE RIGHT....ha ha...just kiddn...
Jag72 suggested i put a Raptor 50 Canopy on there and bigger landing skids and that should make is pretty comparible to a Trex600......

Welll that's my story for now....my 1st progress report......with many more to come...by the time this Forum ends,,,were probably going to have like 10 pages,,,,so let's get this party started guys.......

Reggie
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tutelar-rc
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Make sure you add pics as the parts come in, and the build progresses...
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Jag72
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Helishack...

Glad to see you back


Hopefully you'll get the time to get back into it...

I have been flying the snot out of my esky for a while now and it's proven to be a good performer..

it's kind of funny because I get just as much if not more enjoyment out of flying this esky as I do out of my Vbar equipped logos

I tell you what...the pucker factor definitely has alot to do with the enjoyment level...kind of hard to let loose when flying a $3,000 or $4,000 some times...no MATTER how much money you have

The esky to me is STRESS FREE flying...that's for sure..

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rhampton
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Progress report.....NEED HELP...

Well guys i got my Esmart the other day....WOW it is impressive, especially the Metal Frame....Doesnt look like a crash will even break that frame.....i am in need of some serious help...hopefully someone here can give me some answers......i will number these for i have very specific concerns

1. i am not sure how the servo arm for the inside of the frame goes...it's in there but the metal balls are touching the frame....??? i dont get it...is there a special way that servo arm goes in? The 2 on the ouside seem to be fine so far...

2. i installed the motor.....It was really hard screwing it in cause the frame was already assmebled so after i installed all the swash parts and gear,,,i then put motor on but i had to take off part of the frame to screw the dammm thing in.....my question is, on my jr voyager, i can spin the blades with my hand and turn the motor....with this Heli, i can do that...is it cause it's more a powerful parts? i cant even turn the tail rotos with my hand...adraid i'll break it from the force......is this how it's suppose to be?

3. Is it possible for anyone to take photos of their Esmart 600 with the canopy off and post them here or email it to me at rhampton1914@gmail.com
i need to see a complete setup of someone else Esmart 600 so i can see if mine looks ok.....that would help a lot.....photos of each side of heli,,front and back...basically all angles if possible...

I guess that's it for now.....i have not installed any electric yet..
All i did so far was the main Gear, swash setup, boom and motor...

Also there's a goldish Ring and i cant figure out for the life where this extra part goes....

ok your response is greatly appreciated it.......
at this point i'm not tooo confident of the way i set it up...maybe it's because im still a beginner, so any comments would help....



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Jag72
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esky

I know I already talked to you on the phone...but just wanted to reiterate it just in case...

your main gear is in upside down...the one way bearing is grabbing in the wrong direction..

That brass piece goes on top of the main gear on the main shaft...its a spacer used for that reduction sleeve that you use on the top of the main gear..

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rhampton
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Hey Jag72,,,yes i did speak to you and thanks for your support......i just found out i was spinning the blades backwards......when i spin to the right nothing happens unless power is fed....wow,,,this hobby is crazy...id say in about a week i'll have this baby Flying...

Reggie
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rcmiket
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Glad I found you guys. Picked up a E Smart from Heli Direct on E Bay. Glad to hear that the 5S is the battery of choice. While I'm really found of my T Rex 450 I like my wallet too. Looking forward to sharing with you all. Mike
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rcmiket
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Received my E Smart yesterday and I'm impressed. Not the quality or amount of prefab as my T Rex 450 V2 but it looks solid. I'm shopping around to finish this project and I'm looking for any suggested upgrades to the helicopter itself before I get started then need to tare it down to upgrade it. I'm open and thankful for any suggestions. Thanks. Mike
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Jag72
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required upgrades..

get the metal washout unit, metal swashplate and a trex 600 tail grip/hub assembly. If you are a 3d flier then get the upgraded red dampners as well..


These will make the heli fly much better.

other than that I recommend taking the head assembly apart and checking the thrust bearings...the thrust bearings in mine were assembled wrong and the heli flew funny...obviously....

drop me a pm if you have any questions though

Anthony

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rcmiket
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Thanks, I'll get them ordered. The stock 600 grips fit without mods?
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Jag72
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align tail hub/grips

they will work perfectly on the esmart tail...

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rhampton
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Well i gotta tell ya,,,This Esmart 600 is the best and i'm lovin every minute of it....No Vibrations,,,,Very Smooth,,,Hovers like a bird on marajuana...haha....LOL....i am kinda experimenting with this Esmart 600 now....Check out some photos below...I'm trying to put Floats on it and i put a BIGGER Canopy and Raptor Landing Skids......Fits perfect and everything is painted...Doesnt even look like a Esmart 600 anymore...... I Just tested it out this morning with the Floats and it has no effect on Flight...Keep in mind all i'm doing is Hovering.....No 3d or Hard Flying yet....I want to get a Large Fuselage and see if it will work with this Heli too...Any suggestions?

Hey Jag,,i saw your Ad,,,,u really making me tempted to Get that Hawk From you for $350...That's a really sweet Deal....If i buy that will be my 3d Heli...This Emsart is my Experimental Heli.....I might order 2 of them......Let me know what u guys think of the photos..i can post more if u want....

Reggie

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Sgt Heli
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Playing with that Esmart all the time you'll never get that keyboard mastered!
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rhampton
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ha ha,...that's my Korg Tr-61 Full size Professional Synth...I do my Ambient Techno on there and my Newage Jazz.....now i'm looking into getting a PRS Guitar.....i thought Sam Ash had one but it turned out to be a Peavey when i looked at the Front..ha ha...ohh welll..i'm on ebay now looking for a guitar......
So if its not Making music,,,i Fly my Esmart 600,,,,i have to tell u tho..i am gettn sick and tired of charging batteries....i only have 2 5s 3700mah Evo and i only get like 6 minutes out of each battery and that's it...have to take it home and charge for 4 hours....that really sucks...i'm really thinking of Gettn Nitro....Jag72 has a Century Hawk for sale in better than Mint Condition...i really want to buy it but funds are tight.....i wish there was a better solution to my battery problem...


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Judging by his hobby bench if Jag has it for sale its got all its parts! I want a Roxxter55 which Jag knows, but I need like a bullet! Nice keyboard though and nice heli.

I have a few cool guitars myself. I have a mint Jackson Soloist from 91', Shark fin enlays, Got a Dangelico (L5 Gibson size) jazz guitar, and lastly an Alvarez Yairi DY57.
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rhampton
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Wow that's some collection you got there.....i see your more into guitar...which was my first love.....i'm trying to work on my Pentitonic, ionian scales right now...I'm watching a video of Allan Holdsworth, Steve Morse and Robert Frip of King Crimson.....Wow,,those Guitar players are Awesome, especially that Allan Holdsworth.....Steve Howe is no Novice either...I love his Music.....I wanted a Paul Reed Smith ( PRS ) so bad...i cant believe i got outbidded on Ebay..Freakn guy out bidded me by $5.00
i'm pissed........oh well....ha ha...
but gettn back to the Helis.....I really wish i can solve my Battery problem...i only have 2 and i get a total of 13 to 14 minutes.....Shoooot, 1 tank with the Nitro world can get me 15 to 20 minutes on one Tank.....JAG WHERE ARE U...I want that Heli mannn.....I love electric, but Nitro has it's benefits too....i just hate the mess of Fuel and starters and working with a Flooded Motor...ha ha........i guess if i had 10 batteries i would be ok......

If i did get another Heli it would be something like this below...i love the larger Helis and i think this would be awesome to see in the Sky.......ha ha...yeah right like i can afford one of these......

BTW what's a Roxxxter 55...

Reggie

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