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Logo 500 3D Review in RC Heli Mag

LJS

Key Veteran

Minnesota, USA

Hi All,

There's a review in RC Heli Magazine this month about the Logo 500. It got a pretty good performance review when set up with a high performance motor and 550 blades. It was probably rated a bit higher than the Carbon 550 even though it's an all plastic model.

The reviewer said the performance was ballistic. I was a bit skeptical until I saw that they were running a 2400 rpm head speed with the 550 blades. Holy smokes that's fast. On the down side, they said that they were getting only 4.5 minute flights.

For me though, the real highlight of the model is the battery location. It is totally encased in what appears to be a roll cage type frame. I think it a lot more likely that a lipo would survive a crash in a Logo 500 than a Swift.

Oh one more thing, the head has to be one of the ugliest I've seen. It's supposed to be slop free, but pretty it ain't.

Just thought you might want to know what's going on with the competition. I'm planning on sticking with the Swift for the time being.

Keep 'em flying.

LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

09-18-2007 Over year old.
RCHeliJim

Elite Veteran

Orem, UT USA

The Logo 500 is amazing. One of our flying buddy has two of them setup with the VBar and it performs very well. Mikado helis have always been very well made, but a little pricey. I am very intereseted in getting one myself.



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK

09-18-2007 Over year old.
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LJS

Key Veteran

Minnesota, USA

Hi Jim,

If you've seen one fly, I'm curious how it compares to the Swift. Are there things that the Logo 500 does better?

Thanks,
LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

09-18-2007 Over year old.
jaxrotor

Key Veteran

Jacksonville FL

I have flown two different 500s at our field. One was with the Captron flybarless system and the other was stock.The first thing I noticed was the collective responce on both,altho I like the flybarless better. Both were quick on the cyclic. The biggest thing was the power on the collective,but then again these machines are alot lighter at 5.5 lbs RTF. Both were running 560 Rotortechs and about 6 mins run time. Other than that big hole in the middle of the frame that looks like somethings missing. Very nice

09-18-2007 Over year old.
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RCHeliJim

Elite Veteran

Orem, UT USA

The Logo flies lighter than the Swift in my opinion. It is just so very fast on the collective and cyclic. Its hard to describe without seeing the two fly together.



Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK

09-18-2007 Over year old.
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OICU812

rrMaster

Edson, Alberta, Canada

Oh one more thing, the head has to be one of the ugliest I've seen. It's supposed to be slop free, but pretty it ain't.
What makes the Logo is the head. Once you fly one you will understand. Mechanically the head deisgn is super smooth, super fast and best of all simple and truly reliable. You can acheive a ton of pitch and cyclic with zero binding. Being this is a Swift forum that is all for that, be well.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

09-19-2007 Over year old.
LJS

Key Veteran

Minnesota, USA

I fly my Swift almost every weekday. It's a good heli, but it isn't perfect. If you're like me, maybe you're thinking about upgrading. I agonize over decisions like these, wondering if my time and money will be well invested.

I often look to the magazines for unbiased opinions. Here's what RC Heli Magazine had to say about the Swift Carbon 550 vs the Logo 500 3D.

Criteria \ Swift \ Logo \
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Hover \ 4 \ 5 \
Forward Flight \ 4 \ 4.5 \
Cyclic Pitch Response \ 4 \ 5 \
Collective Pitch Response \ 4.5 \ 4.5 \
Tail Rotor Response \ 3.5 \ 4.5 \
Post Flight Inspection \ 3.5 \ 3.5 \
Instructions \ 4 \ 4 \
Parts Quality Fit \ 3 \ 4.5 \
Durability \ 4 \ 4 \
Tunability \ 4 \ 4.5 \
Overall Performance \ 4 \ 5 \
Value \ 4 \ 4.5 \

Head Speed w 550s \ 2030 \ 2400 \
Flight Duration w 550s \ 6:50 \ 4:30 \

It appears that the performance edge goes to the Logo. But I don't know what to make of the head speed they were running on the Logo. Would the Swift perform better at the higher head speed? Certainly the Logo would get a better flight time with a lower head speed.

I don't know. I'm still curious what Align is going to do with their 500. For me, I think I'm going to stick with the Swift for the time-being. That is, unless you Swift to Logo converts can convince me otherwise...

Keep 'em flying.
LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

09-20-2007 Over year old.
OICU812

rrMaster

Edson, Alberta, Canada

Well they did not need to run 2400 HS that is for sure, of course the Swift would be more poppy with a higher HS but the head is not designed to safely withstand a HS of 2400, I do not feel even a Century Rep would contest that statement. The runtimes are an unfair comparison due of course to the HS mentioned. The 5003D certainly flies very well at 2200, it does like 2200 for 3D though, no less and that and over will produce reiculous amount of pop. Decisions like these are never easy, go with your gut feel on it. If you have a chance to at least see another heli you might be interested go see it, even if it is a couple hour drive, it would help your decision process, all imho of course.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

09-20-2007 Over year old.
oldfart

Elite Veteran

Vancouver, Canada

I agree with OICU812. The head speed makes all the difference in the World when comparing 3D performance.

IMHO, a head speed of 2400 is fine on a heli that use 320mm blades but a bit excessive for one swinging 520 plus mainblades.

Myself and others I know, have flown our basic Swift 16 (does not have the CNC metal head block of the Swift Carbon 550E) regularly at 2150 and they had a lot more "pop" then they did at 2050 (this RC Heli test was at 2030). In fact it says something for the Swift, if they found its' collective performance the same (4.5/4.5) though the Swift was turning 370 rpm less!

I think it unfair to compare cyclic and collective performances on any helis using different head speed, power systems, blades, flybar paddles and radio/gyro equipment. I have found that each of these items can make a lot of difference, and combined can make really big differences.

On nice thing about electrics, is a simple change of an inexpensive pinion gear can make a lot of difference in head speed.

Like when magazines compare cars. Comparing brand "A" with the basic motor, steering and braking system to Brand "B" with the optional motor, sport steering package and hi-zoot braking system is not a fair comparison either.

So any such comparisons should always be taken with that in mind.

09-20-2007 Over year old.
LJS

Key Veteran

Minnesota, USA

Oh yes, and I almost forgot. The edge in weight goes to the Logo 500 3D also. RCHeli magazine showed:

Criteria \ Swift \ Logo \
--------------------------
Ready to fly weight \ 6lbs 8oz \ 6lbs 5 oz \

To me that's pretty amazing because, from the pictures that I've seen, the Logo looks quite a bit larger.

Nice machine...

LJS

Logo 600 VBar, 10S
TRex 600E VBar, 8S
Logo 500 VBar, 6S
TRex 600ESP, 6S

09-20-2007 Over year old.
willie evans

Veteran

Alberta, Canada

over one year old.

09-25-2007 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

I saw a Logo500-3D at a local fun-fly last weekend. Very nice heli and on 8s with an Actro 18 motor it flew great. The only thing I did not like was that the frames are really meant for a Logo600 heli so look a bit too big on a 500.

Personally, I'm going to stick with my Swift 16 for now. I still believe that this heli, on 5-6s is the best bang-for-buck 500-520 sized heli out there, no matter where you live. Also, I'd suggest that most Logo10-3D owners will continue to fly and enjoy these good value heli's as well. Imop I don't really see a lot of value for upgrading either of these fine helis to Swift 550's or Logo500-3D's. In both cases, it's a lot of extra $'s to spend for a direct drive tail which, on a heli this size, is not really necessary imop.

I may consider a Logo600-3D in about 6-12 months (in order for bugs and parts supply to stablise). This looks like it should be a very good one. I imagine that if Mikado had brought it out first, they would not have sold as many 500's, which was probably part of their marketing plan anyway.

Just my $0.02

Cheers,
Tom C

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
Logo14, 550 blades

09-25-2007 Over year old.
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