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AceBird
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"On board generator" don't leave the ground without it.

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09-29-2007 12:46 AM
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Brunobl
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When your other heli battery gets low you can stick it on the gasser then go fly for a few tanks, when it’s charged take it off and put it back on you nitro or what ever

Yet another use for the gasser! Excellent!


...Bruno.
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09-29-2007 12:51 AM
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Fixit
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Yep, and like someone once said on this forum, if we could only refuel in mid air.
09-29-2007 12:54 AM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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huh:)

this thread is just and exactly 20 days old - I cant believe how much info I got here for such a short time!!!! Thanks boys!!!!!!!!!!
09-29-2007 01:37 AM
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AceBird
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When your other heli battery gets low you can stick it on the gasser then go fly for a few tanks, when it’s charged take it off and put it back on you nitro or what ever

This really isn't a good idea. a dead battery will not fully charge by most on board generator circuits. The circuit is meant to run the heli and prevent the battery from discharging. Yes it will bring it up some but will not fully charge a near dead battery.

Ace
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09-29-2007 12:28 PM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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go!!!!!!!!! :)

no words need..........!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01RnnOM_hZg
09-29-2007 02:08 PM
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Brunobl
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Don't understand why all companies using pinion to drive the generator

Darko,

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It is not companies but individuals who found it the most appropriate place to put the generator ! If you put it on any other place then you do not have charging while heli is on idle or during auto rotation !

I take it you mean the configuration where the generator is driven by the main gear through a pinion.

To be fair, in this configuration there is no charging at idle either, since in this condition the clutch will still be disengaged and the main gear won't be spinning yet.

Driving the generator from the starter shaft is IMO actually better because it won't add drag to the main gear (and rotor) during autorotation, so it won't affect your heli's autorotation performance. And, your battery won't have trouble powering the radio for the few seconds' worth of auto (people do fly even without a generator after all).

Of course there are cases where it is impossible to drive the generator from the starter shaft and I'd then rather drive it from the main gear, with or without autorotation performance hit, than not having the generator!


...Bruno.
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09-29-2007 02:34 PM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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thats it - I try to find the way how to power the generator from engine directly...

And what about to add another coil near by bottom of engine and take the power from there??


and thanks for nice comment at youTube.. !
09-29-2007 03:32 PM
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09-29-2007 05:48 PM
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Brunobl
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what about to add another coil near by bottom of engine and take the power from there?

You mean adding another pick-up coil using the flywheel magnet?
I don't know if you'd have enough power to do that. Also, it would be complicated mechanically, not to mention that this is a sensitive area (it's what keeps the engine running!). I really think that in terms of generators, the brushless motor is the way to go.

If you can't use the starter shaft for this because the Raptor's collective pitch control arm is in the way (...convert it to eCCPM?), you can drive the generator from the main gear or it can be belt-driven if you add a pulley next to the flywheel. This option would call for some mods on the engine crankcase. See AceBird's gallery for some good ideas on this (how's it working, AceBird?).


...Bruno.
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09-29-2007 06:16 PM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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OK i will look for solution. Lets go ahead to another question = throttle servo. The carb is in such a bad location to be reached by bar from servo located in the original servo tray. Looks like i need to make another servo mount near by the carb...
09-29-2007 07:25 PM
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Brunobl
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Looks like i need to make another servo mount

Oh, the joys of modifying those heli kits...

Don't forget that the link from the carb may transfer a lot of vibration from the engine. Take this into account when making the new mount. The original Raptor carb servo mount didn't originally need to deal with so much vibration.


...Bruno.
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09-29-2007 07:50 PM
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Have you any photos of the carb and engine position?

I found it easy butt I think your engine is lower

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09-29-2007 08:02 PM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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Oh, the joys of modifying those heli kits...
Yahhh IT IS HUDGE JOY - like a sex when i was 16

Fixit: Since I choose no to cut the ribs on the head and cylinder, the servo tray is now almost around the corner Anyway I have done it already... As you see at the picture, have same positioon of the carb like you.

09-29-2007 09:11 PM
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IMO actually better because it won't add drag to the main gear (and rotor) during autorotation, so it won't affect your heli's autorotation performance.

The Predator doesn't drive the main gear during autorotation.

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To be fair, in this configuration there is no charging at idle either, since in this condition the clutch will still be disengaged and the main gear won't be spinning yet.

Even when you mount to the start shaft you are really not producing enough energy at idle.

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See AceBird's gallery for some good ideas on this



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You mean adding another pick-up coil using the flywheel magnet?
I don't know if you'd have enough power to do that.

If you do it is a great idea. somebody has to work out the regulator circuit.

Ace
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09-29-2007 09:20 PM
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Zaptorgasser Paul Macha
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If you do it is a great idea. somebody has to work out the regulator circuit.
I used to have small motto 52ccm where was very similar system. Even NO!! battery! There was 3 coils. One for ignition and two for the lighting system. I'm not using the base plate like engine mount.. So there is space to mount some coils and try how much we can gain... Another idea from Robinson 22 clutch system: There is clutch based at very simple system: tightening and releasing belts. This could be nice solution for us..
09-29-2007 09:35 PM
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Brunobl
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IMO actually better because it won't add drag to the main gear (and rotor) during autorotation, so it won't affect your heli's autorotation performance.

AceBird...
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The Predator doesn't drive the main gear during autorotation
Of course. Talk about sprag bearing. What was I thinking?

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Even when you mount to the start shaft you are really not producing enough energy at idle

In my Spectra, the VoltWatch goes to 1 LED from the top, with all electronics turned on, at a slightly high idle. If I rev up a bit more (enough to start turning the rotor blades) then the VoltWatch maxes out.

But at a true, nice & low idle, it isn't probably producing much power.


...Bruno.
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09-29-2007 09:48 PM
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AceBird
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Who said anything about a dead battery?

Fixit, whether it is dead or it is low it would be risky business to run it in the gasser for a couple of tanks and then put it back into the glow again. It is even risky to run it in the gasser because you are loosing your backup if the charger quits for some reason.

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09-29-2007 09:52 PM
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AceBird
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Bruno, the fact that it is not maxing out means you are not charging. The standard cube charger puts out about 7 volts and just for a 1400mah battery like I have takes almost 2 days to charge it. If you have Raja's charger it only puts out 5.4 volts. It is really not meant to be a charger it is meant to provide power for your radio gear so your battery doesn't discharge. It will trickle charge somewhat but if the battery is low it will take days of non stop flying to get it in the safe range. Don't rely on the on board generator as a charger.

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09-29-2007 10:01 PM
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AceBird
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Another idea from Robinson 22 clutch system: There is clutch based at very simple system: tightening and releasing belts.

Typically belt clutch systems are better used when the torque load doesn't increase with RPM. That is not the case with our helis.

Ace
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09-29-2007 10:09 PM
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