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DS 8717
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Acoording to the Vblades test pilots,it's thumbs up.

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inkspot1967
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finaly a simple answer....

my head hurts reading that technical info....

Rave 4s soon Total-G fbl
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invrtd
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Just try to back up my opinion on the sound barrier causing some of the popping. The blades themselves maynot actually be hitting the speed of sound but air traveling over them is. It's all opinion though. Didn't mean to give anyone a headache.
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rox33
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I suppose the textured surface on these blades gives the same effect as the dimples on a golfball. If you make a golfball without the dimples,then if would not fly as far, and it would not go straight either..
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K27R
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and it would not go straight either..
..this will not be a good set of blades for 3D flying. 3D flight does not involve straight and level flying.
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Bert Kammerer
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invrtd, what is your name? I see you are from Central Florida. Where do you fly at?

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invrtd
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I live west of Orlando in Inverness. Just off 75 at the wildwood exit by the turn pike. Currently in Iraq. Should be home soon. Would love to meet up with some other helo pilots when I get back.
07-29-2007 Over year old.
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Bert Kammerer
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Cool, PM me when you're home, we have a nice club in Orlando.

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reiserrob2003
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forget the crazy formulas, correction to earlier statement, anything moving through air or fluid for that matter has laminar flow, just like driving your car through the rain, even though you're moving at 50+ mph, the rain drops on your windshield move along at a snails pace, because the air is moving slowly also, that is laminar flow, where it detaches forms an area of low pressure causing drag, pretty simple aerodynamics, you usually see dimpling in two places, perfectly round objects, like golf balls, and it has been proven that dimpling does not always increase aerodynamic efficiency. the other place you see it is on irregular shapes, ie. a bicyclist's body. Discovery had a special about the company Nike designing Lance Armstrong's suit and how they use dimpling in certain places to to reduce laminar seperation and reduce drag. that being said, an airfoil is as close to aerodynamically perfect as you can get, except at high angles of attack, if TST is such a great idea, don't you think every full scale military heli and jet fighter for that matter would have dimpled rotors and wings, and while we're at it, wouldn't every car is this fuel and oil oppressed world have it too. no, and by the way it has been tried, i have pictures of some of them, i think its another marketing ploy to get everyones " what if" factor up. I think the pilots that won using these blades were going to win anyways
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misskimo
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will , I do thing Vic still needs to produce the regular VBlades .

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rroback
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Our blades are not near supersonic, so any mention of supersonic flow is not related. Wing sweep, used on planes flying near supersonic has the ability to augment the relative flow velocities at specific spots, to 'cheat' and get closer to mach without hitting it. these dimples might help a little, but our blades are flying in so much turbulent air, it's hard to say.

Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.
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reiserrob2003
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no, there are no dimples on jet fighters, I know, I work on them. Supersonic produces a whole new set of problems. the biggest problem being transonic flight. that is the point where an object moves from sub to supersonic. the problem being shock waves forming on certain areas before others causing a change in flight characteristics and sometimes resulting in loss of control or lift. no, nothing on an RC heli approaches transonic. However as stated earlier, dimpling does not always increase efficiency. I recently asked someone what they thought of this TST technology. His reply was "well, they're dumping their whole line of the old style blades for this TST, that must tell you how much they believe it works." My reply to that statement is "they have no other choice, how could you tell someone how great this new product is on one hand and still sell the old style just in case on the other hand." it would kind of put a bit of doubt in the consumers mind.
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DS 8717
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Thats true,but they should offer both styles because they fly different.One person might like the new TST and the guy might not,now which blade is going to buy,RADIX?,ROTORTECH?

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Dave Yost
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if TST is such a great idea, don't you think every full scale military heli and jet fighter for that matter would have dimpled rotors and wings, and while we're at it, wouldn't every car is this fuel and oil oppressed world have it too. no, and by the way it has been tried, i have pictures of some of them, i think its another marketing ploy to get everyones " what if" factor up.

It has to do with the size of the airfoil in relation to speed and viscosity. So in most cases, a jet fighter or even a full scale rotor would not benefit. However, You guys are missing a key point, the cord of an RC helicopter blade is much smaller in relation to the air monocles. Full scale helicopter aerodynamics dose not apply here. You must first apply the Reynolds equation to see what range you are operating in.

Air monocles expand and contract with changes in temperature. But the difference between one extreme and another, say 28.00Hg and 31.00Hg is not that significant if your using a very small airfoil.

This is why if you scale down a war bird, like a P51, they fly much better if you change the air foil.

I am way, way to busy to get into this at the moment, but here's the steps I would take:

1. figure the tip speed at 2000 RPM

2. Apply: Re=(Density/Viscosity)X Velocity(at the tip)X Length(tip cord I think)

If Re= less than 300,000 or so, the tip is operating in turbulent, non-laminar airflow and will benefit from boundary layer enhancement.

see the following ref.

Theory of Flight, Richard Von Mises, Page 167, influence of Reynolds numbers

Model Aircraft Aerodynamics, Martin Simons, page 33

Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators, H.H. Hurt,Jr, Page 54,55

I am NOT sponsored by Vblades, but I have watched Alan and Danny fly both, and I can tell you there is less bogging and less noise which must mean a lower coefficient of drag.

Dave

MA Fury Extreme,Vibe 50, JR 9303,YS,Vblades, Don't blame me, I voted for Jimmy Buffet!
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joeycoates
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Well, now that I have flown my TST's after flying with the Radix 600's I will throw in my own 2c.

Raptor 50 Titan
OS 50 Hyper
MP II
PowerMaster 30%
8.73 gearing
Exact same pitch/cyclic parameters

TST's...

1. Climb out was definatly stronger, even an airplane pilot who flies at my field noticed a stronger climbout. A lot stronger.

2. Tic-Tocs were sharper/faster with less altitude loss. I am a fairly new pilot having started in Feb so others will have better collective managment then I do, but for me the Tic-Tocs were much better.

3. Less bogging, like I said my collective managment is not up to par so when I over controled on the collective it let me get away with it without having to bail out.

4. When it did bog it recovered the RPM's much quicker. If I bogged on one side of a rapid Tic-Toc it recovered to where I was at manouvering headspeed when I hit the other side of the Tic-Toc. The Radix blades would not allow me to continue with the Tic-Tocs as the headspeed would just continue to fall off.

5. Rolling/tumbling manouvers were faster/quicker. The difference was not huge, but it was there. The blades make less noise or slapping when doing these manouvers.

6. No oil residue on blades after flight!


Radix...

1. Cheaper

2. Auto better, they seem to retain the energy better.

3. Perhaps more forgiving as they do not seem to react as fast, but I do not know if this is good or not given that in 3D flight you want quick reactions to control inputs.


Like I said, I am a fairly new flier so I certainly do not know everything and these are my own observations. I am not very prone to the placebo effect either, I was completely ready to put the TST's up for sale and pick up another set of Radix blades if I had not liked the way they flew. If that had been the reality then I would have not accepted flying with what I thought to be substandard blades, especially not when they had cost $35 more then what I considered to be a very good set of blades. I have e-mailed VBlades to ask about the possibility of making some TST's with more chord, something similar to the Radix blades. Seeing as how they TST blades do seem to be more efficient I have to wonder if they would be even better with more surface area. They really do not bog down the way they are now and they give better climbout so they might be even stronger with more surface area. I think that the helicopter could handle it and it might make them to be on par with the Radix blades in terms of Auto performance, but who knows. They are pretty darned good the way they are.

My 2c, fire away!
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OICU812
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I can say as I fly the Older crowd pleaser Vblades alot over this last season and just recently have been flying these new TSTs' and I really like them. I am taking out 175-200 less mah out of my 600 and around 150-160 less mah on my L14 as well with basically same style flying I always have done. So definetly more efficient, and there are no issues seeing them in the air like people say and I don't track the disc till I roll or flip out anyways, and leading edge on hurricanes......


In short these are for sure my new fav blade.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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Bert Kammerer
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Dave has a very good point... and ultimately as most people stated here, you can have beautiful numbers on paper, but if pilots don't like the feel of the blade, then those numbers are pretty useless.

Glad to know that you are seeing more efficiency with these blades Shawn, 200 Mah less is quite a bit considering the level of efficiency that today’s' blades have. Any small improvement in efficiency is a giant leap.

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ChrisW
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The statement about golfball dimples is crap!...

My golf balls have dimples and never, ever go straight
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gencollon
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lol, mine do the secret is using nikes, or titlests

does the TST auto better than the older V2 (which i currently have on the rex 600 E)

this thread was a fun read, thanks guys, tons of good info
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Bert Kammerer
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A lot of people say they do auto better, I haven't personally felt any difference in auto performance.

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