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Learning to fly what to try after a hover.

stebe

Senior Heliman

Alberta

So I have a hover down with the tail towards me. I can fly forward, backwards, left and right. I still have a little trouble when the tail is not towards me.

But what should I try next.

06-02-2007 Over year old.
zAmboni

Heliman

Michigan, USA

Thunderstorms just forced me in from flying a bit in the garage . I'm pretty sure that some will point you to RADDS flight school and say learn side in and nose in hovering the same way you did tail in hovering. I am still not that great flying anything other than tail in so I am not too far ahead of you.

This is what I *suggest*...it may not be right for you, but I am slowly learning how to control things this way and it is something that I am comfortable with. The two things I did after hovering is what I would call yo-yos. Start with the heli tail-in in a hover in front of you and just fly forward a decent distance (slow at first and then as fast as you want to), then fly directly back towards yourself and have it hover in front of you. Do this a bit to get a feel for forward and backward flight and to get a feel how much it takes you to go forward and how much backstick to negate the forward flight.

When you are comfortable doing that, from a tail in hover, start to add some left and right movement when going forward in your yo-yo (keeping the tail in when you do so). Not really "turning" but going side to side as you go out and back. Then I would add on that next by doing a figure 8 as you move forward away from yourself. After the figure 8s are down a bit, when you start doing your figure 8s, add some left and right rudder when you do your left and right movement....so you are actually doing left and right turns instead of sliding left and right. I did it this way so I could slowly get used to the heli being at different angles away from me and feel comfortable with flying it and keeping it under control.

Another thing you could do (if you are comfortable hovering the heli close to yourself) is to start with a knee high hover tail-in, and sweep an arc with the heli to your right (right stick, right rudder) slow enough until the heli is now side in. Then do the reverse from that position (left stick, left rudder) until it is back in front of you tail-in. Then do the same to the left side. I say to do this knee high because I like to see how the main rotor is acting, and it gives you a better look at the body of the heli, to help orient your mind with what you are doing. I would continue to the side to side arcs and then try to hold a hover when you get the bird sideways. Add on to what you did previously.

WHen you get that down, I would add some forward flight. Tail-in hover, then arc to the right while moving forward. Fly out a bit towards your right a little and then make a slow 180 turn and move the heli towards your left. Pretty soon you will be doing some oval left to right/right to left "laps" pretty easy.

I'm pretty sure others will come up with some good stuff. When the thunderstorms start to let up I may go out and try to video tape what I am talking about.

06-02-2007 Over year old.
stebe

Senior Heliman

Alberta

One thing I have been attempting lately is have the tail towards me and then i spin in a circle. I rotate the chopper around me with the tail always in towards me. Just basically circles with the tail always facing me.

My brain just goes stupid as soon as the tail is away from me though. I really want to move on to forward flight but I know I would crash. I have a HH gyro on the way also, hopefully that should make things a little simpler its one less thing to worry about.

06-02-2007 Over year old.
zAmboni

Heliman

Michigan, USA

The HH gyro is going to help alot. I did the same thing as you early on with doing the circle thingy. The biggest thing I think is getting the confidence to try something new, (instead of worrying about wrecking all the time). Just try something new each battery pack...it can be something simple as instead of rotating with the heli....have it arc in front of you in a semicircle....but standing still and just let your head rotate. Do that back and forth in front of you a couple of times. It is getting to the point of trying something different and getting comfortable with it. Ultimately you would want to do things with the heli in front of you...and that you wouldn't have to move.

I got outside during a break in the weather and made a video of some of the stuff I talked about in an earlier post. The heli was tough to handle, I have a problem with a sticky collective (I think I have some burrs on my shaft)...so things arent as good as I hoped. I am going to have to edit it slightly and upload...hopefully I will have a link to it sometime soon.

06-02-2007 Over year old.
zAmboni

Heliman

Michigan, USA

Here is the video that I did. I was doing some stuff at the end that was side to side and It went out of the frame a bit...oh well.

View here

06-03-2007 Over year old.
eddo22

Senior Heliman

moorpark, ca

put the training gear back on and do RADD's over, this time with the right side facing you, then the left side, then finally nose-in. it'll take a while to get it, but it will save you $ in parts not to mention frustration. good luck!

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06-03-2007 Over year old.
stebe

Senior Heliman

Alberta

Thanks for the video, a HH gyro looks like something I really need. If I was to make such aggressive movements one the blade pitch I would not be able to hold the tail steady. Right now I can slowly move all directions.

I actually just had a crash today after posting, I was trying to move a little too fast forward and when i tried to correct and slow down I ended up with a tail strike, broke the pins off the tail rotor and I think my tail motor is going(super twitchy now). I just got back from the LHS and picked up my new tail motor.

Like eddo22 the guy at the LHS suggested I basically do radds over again. Start at 45 degrees either way and then transition to 90 degrees. I guess doing it that way it just becomes more natural and even though you are nose in your brain is trained so it still seems like its tail in.

06-03-2007 Over year old.
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