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Align T-REX 600N 700N > Will the Raptor and Evo survive?

colsy
Elite Veteran
Location: Cambridge, UK

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You would think after 10 years they would have fixed those things.

Wasn't much to ask, was it.

Just another reason, why they have no chance of keeping up with a company that's 'on the move'.

colin.

Only Quote From Experience.

05-14-2007 Over year old.

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hootowl
rrProfessor
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

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Just another reason, why they have no chance of keeping up with a company that's 'on the move'.

And if we don't tell it like it is, even more thing won't get fixed.

Honk ... before it becomes offensive.

05-14-2007 Over year old.

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JeepCJ
Key Veteran
Location: Pennellville NY (Syracuse Heli Group)

You have to admit, the marketing department at Align did an awsome job. The heli is not even on the streets yet, and everyone is raving about it. All they had to do, is post some vids of someone flying it.

Bob

05-14-2007 Over year old.

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OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

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Sorry, you lost me with the last part of you post. Started sounding like a sales pitch for a company that is thinking it is going to lose some market share.

Now that was good comedy right there folks

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...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

05-15-2007 Over year old.

QuantumPSI
Elite Veteran
Location: Atlanta, GA

Market share that it never really gained to be honest...

LOL, I had to, sorry...

M

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

05-15-2007 Over year old.

RonHill
Veteran
Location: FLL, FL

I love how some can bash a kit that is not really out yet

Yes the Trex 450 had issues when it came out...but it was still head and shoulders above the Shogun. And I just bought a 450SE V2..And let me tell you that little SOB rocks.

The 600 came out over a year ago and has had very little issues...About the normal amount when you consider a new release IMO.

I also find it funny how people can bash Align for really no reason. If you think Align guilds crap...Then you clearly have not flown the V2 or a 600E. And with each heli, their experience builds...Plus they had JK and Alan working on them...Those guys don't suck and even if they are paid to fly the Rex if Align listened to the info they paid for it should be good.

As for parts breaking....I have had the same thing happen with Hirobo parts, and seen the same thing happen with TT and even the exaulted Min Air parts.

But, I would not recomend getting one uless you like the idea of beta testing. I doubt that this thing will come out and have no problems. Almost every new release has issues.

I am getting one. But I have some very skilled friends with loads of Ex that are here to help me. And a LHS that rocks. Maybe I am getting a POS, maybe I am getting pure sunshine that runs on nitro. I'll let ya know in about a week.

05-15-2007 Over year old.

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Just like with the Raptor - the sales figures will speak for themselves and I am sure Align will sell bucket loads of the N.

Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz

05-15-2007 Over year old.

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ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Ron, looking forward to your review when it comes. Based on my experience with Align (going back to the original trex 450) this 600n will ROCK no doubt, the price is too hard for me to swallow but the machine will impress.

we can never have too many, can we ?

05-15-2007 Over year old.

OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

Hey I am an electric freak, my electric boyism is quite high and even I am optimistic of this model, lol.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

05-15-2007 Over year old.

ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

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So yeah, it's true that it is a new helicopter with no new spectacular design, but what is true, is that we truly have a 90 size layout, on a 50 size machine. To me, that's a first and should not go unrecognized. I'll be getting mine!

QuantumPSI,

I guess you haven't noticed the Knight 50 3D??

It has been out for several months and features a control layout similar to an Avant's. It uses a single shaft shared eCCPM layout that brings the servos up higher and closer to the mainshaft. The engine uses a unique engine isolation mounting system that help minimize the amount of vibration transmitted to the frames. It comes with an all aluminum head (except the main grips, washout arms, and mixing arms) and many more features that aren't common on any other 50 size heli on the market with a price of $450.

While I think that the 600N will have a market, it is not the first 50 size heli to incorporate a "90 size layout".

Gary
Outrage Velocity 50
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05-15-2007 Over year old.

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

I hear the Knight 3D is very hard to work on due to its layout - is this correct? I also can see from the pics that the 600N will be a snap to work on....that is a point worth noting possibly???

Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz

05-15-2007 Over year old.

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ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

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I hear the Knight 3D is very hard to work on due to its layout - is this correct?

I don't know where you "heard" this from, but it is wrong. It is no harder to work on than any other heli.

Gary
Outrage Velocity 50
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SwitchGlo
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05-15-2007 Over year old.

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Cool, that is great to hear, I read it on a couple of the Knight 3D threads...it does look like a nice model, especially for the price!

Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz

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GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

I have a Knight 3D so I'm not sure I can agree with the "easy to work on". The big issue I see is the servo layout. The servos are almost stacked making it very difficult to reach a servo without removing the one above it. Being a CCPM heli it will be more prone to stripping gears. There's no way around it. If you strip the gears on the bottom servo the other 2 will need to be removed before you can get to the broken one. The same may be true for the 600N but from the manual it looks like all 3 cyclic servos are on the top of the frame.

05-15-2007 Over year old.

3Dx
Elite Veteran
Location: Monterrey NL

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Will the Raptor and Evo survive?

That depends….

If Mark doesn’t add the Imperio legend to Align, and they don’t fell like God am sure Align will be here for many years!!! And many brands will have difficulties.

Then Align will not have the natural tendency…… COME and GO…..

Depends on them........

05-15-2007 Over year old.

ez2bgman
Elite Veteran
Location: N'awlins, LA

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If you strip the gears on the bottom servo the other 2 will need to be removed before you can get to the broken one

I use a curved hemostat to easily access the retainers inside the frame that hold the servos on. It takes me no longer to take out a servo from the Knight 3D than it did on some of my other helis.

Gary
Outrage Velocity 50
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SwitchGlo
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05-15-2007 Over year old.

Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

I think the helis that will be most impacted by the 600N (at least the pro version) won't be the plastic fantastics, it'll be the higher end 50s with limited distribution. Why would someone buy a Hurrican or other heli like that when the 600N pro is out? It just doesn't make sense, prior to the 600N, if someone wanted a metal and carbon 50, they didn't have the option of walking into most LHS and picking one up. They HAD to go to the little guy to get that heli. Now, you'll be able to get the 600N anywhere, parts anywhere, and they will be far less money, all on a machine that weighs a pound to a pound and a half less.

I see similar things happening to the Vibe 50, Airskipper, Knight 3d (not as much, since distribution is wider, but it'll happen), and Quick WW helis (While we all know that they aren't the second coming as advertised, the metal and carbon draws people in). The 600N pro is going to eat their market.

Nick Crego

05-15-2007 Over year old.

Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

I dumped my 600 sunday, broke the frame, and torque tube gears...total fix(I went aluminum frames this time until Rotorworkz comes out with the HFX frame) Total cost to fix 60$. It will take about an hour to fix, no blade damage, no head damage, carbon boom survived without a scratch...I crashed skids first!!
Dumped my EVO50 a few weeks ago, cost me over $100 to fix and 4-5 hours to do. If you get real anal I should have replaced the head on my Hyper as it bent!! Trashed a Haitori(my buddy fixed for me) but this would have added another 100$ to the crash!!!

There is NO comparing the quality of the 600 to the 450, they took their time with the 600 and it shows. Its very smooth.
I love my 450 too due to how easy and cheap it is to fix, plus it flies pretty damn good. Two dudes at our field fly the living hell out of them, tic tocs, piro flips, hurricanes...I have crashed my 450, dusted it off, bent the flybar straight and spooled it back up and flew!!!(more than once!!) cant beat that?

I have 22 hours on my Trex 600 with my first crash, not bad odds seeing how flights are 5 mins. I have 1 hour if that on set up time...its been my trusty reliable heli, pug in and go!!! I still have the stock tail and bearings that came with the machine and I have friends that JONES to try her out...I can see it in their eyes!!!!

Maybe I will let them now that I got my first crash out of the way.

NOT ONE PART FAILURE!!!!!!!

Parts for Align 600 are inexpensive, not cheap.

Ok they can beef up the torque tube gears a bit, and Im sure they will as they address almost all their problems with a fix. Other than that its a great machine.

Jeff

Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...

05-15-2007 Over year old.

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Jim-bob
Senior Heliman
Location: Little Hocking OH USA

05-15-2007 Over year old.

colsy
Elite Veteran
Location: Cambridge, UK

Yeah, i think you need broken blades to qualify for an official crash.

colin.

Only Quote From Experience.

05-15-2007 Over year old.

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