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WRC1610
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Location: Seattle, WA - NorthAmerica

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03-29-2007 08:10 AM
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helibill
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Location: London, Ontario, Canada

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I'm kind of afraid to reply, maybe others are too but here is what I think of your situation. You own the heli and you allowed the other guy to fly the heli beside your BMW. The crash was not his fault as it was a radio glitch that could have been caused by anything. You yourself did not crash the heli but you allowed him to fly your heli near the beamer. IMO that is kind of risky because anything can happen.

I don't think they should pay for your car and I doubt they will. I'd just bite the bullet this time if I were you and fly in a safe area next time...
03-30-2007 01:56 AM
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Cornster
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Location: Thornton, CO USA

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Although I partly agree with Bill, I also feel that it is the pilot's responsiblity, not the owner's, to ensure safe operation of the said helicopter.

That being said, it was his choice as a pilot to take it up where he did, what....just because he isn't the owner he doesn't have to consider consequences?

I dunno, I think both parties are at fault, although I would expect some sort of help since the damage wasn't self inflicted.

Fault in the crash is not the issue, the issue is the lack of reguard to location of flight.

Sorry about the damage, hope all gets worked out.

Cornster
03-30-2007 03:58 AM
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BEAR
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Location: Peterborough

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At least its only a Beamer!
03-30-2007 06:29 PM
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z11355
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Location: New England

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this kind of thing gets my motor running

<rant>

It's YOUR helicopter
It's YOUR BMW
YOU let him fly YOUR heli near YOUR car.

It's called intelligence and personal responsibility.

If you own/fly a 3DXL (and frankly, it appears as though you'r out of your league other than it's high-end and you like that) and you let
someone else fly it and they do not dumb-thumb it, it's YOUR problem.

Try taking responsibility instead of finding someone ELSE to blame for
your failure of judgement.

</rant>
03-30-2007 06:48 PM
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MJWS
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Location: Airdrie, AB - Canada

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This is why they created insurance.

Surely the LHS is smart enough to let you know that them testing your heli is on YOU. A glitch or mechanical shouldn't be their problem. If I was doing the work (LHS or not) you can be certain we'd be VERY clear on that. Why you'd let anyone fly close enough to your car that a glitch could take it out is probably something you won't do again. But hindsight is perfect.

It could have just as easily been you holding the tx. The tech didn't make any pilot error you mention.

I wouldn't hesitate to take it up with the owner. I'd try honey before I went with the demanding attitude. His insurance may cover it without a problem. Your insurance company won't hesitate to go after his if they think they can win.

I'm assuming there is damage worth mentioning, not a scratch on a rim or something you can buff out. If it's a couple hundred bux, I'll bet the owner would split it. I would.

Sorry to hear about this. Sounds like a nice heli and a nice car. Love my BMW as well. But there ain't a hope in hell I'd let someone fly beside it.

Mike
03-30-2007 06:57 PM
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z11355
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it's nonsense like this that makes people not want to help others.
No good deed goes unpunished by people like you.

I ALWAYS tell people before they give me their transmitter that I am not responsible AT ALL for ANYTHING that may happen while I'm flying their machine.
03-30-2007 10:18 PM
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WRC1610
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03-30-2007 10:54 PM
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MJWS
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For me. If the guy is out there on his own.... It's on the shop. Glitch? Breeze? Dumb thumb? WTF was he thinking? They normally test fly a couple feet from customer's expensive vehicles? Not Good. If you're there and made a choice it's completely different, imho.

Can't see why the owner would hesitate to make it right.

Your first post description sounds like you witnessed it first hand. Pretty logical assumption that you were there.

Mike
03-30-2007 11:18 PM
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rotoryrob
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never trust anyone

The fact that you trusted him to the point of walking away means to me that whatever happens you relieve him of any responsibility. I would never leave with someone else on the controls of my heli. I value it too much and I would want to se first hand if it comes down as to why? and if he was flying it not to my approval I would tell him to land it and hand it back. I understand you were not present and by not being there you really don't know what happened. He could of lost control of it and it be totally his fault but you will never know. Like mentioned earlier you are actually pretty lucky cause if it had hit some lil kid and injured him for life you would be paying for a long time. It is like a car they don't care who is driving it is all about the registered owner. Did you give permission to use it. Same with guns that is why you don't let people fly unless you are in a designated area for flying where there are safe guards put in place. You play you Pay.

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03-30-2007 11:38 PM
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z11355
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would have thought that you guys would have been smart enough to think that I wouldnt let him fly that close to my car, I wasnt around when he was flying, I was inside talking with some friends, I didnt know where he was flying, or that he was at all untill I heard it hit the car... But thanks for being a buch of jackarses.

what in your prior writing would indicate any of this? Did you mention
how close he was to the car? Did you mention that you weren't there?
Did you not see him take the machine, transmitter and field equipment
and walk out the door? What do you suppose he was going to do with
it all?

You came here looking for sympathy of some sort and when you didn't
get it en-mass but instead got told some ugly truth, now we're all @sses to you. That fits, especially the BMW part. Pompous, arrogant and self-righteous.

We're not the ones looking at a $$$$$ repair. Who's the jack@ss?
03-30-2007 11:56 PM
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MJWS
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That's a little harsh. The pilot flying this thing is completely responsible for the poor choice in flying location. If I leave my car for a mechanic to work on and he needs to take it for a test drive. He takes it. It is up to him to be safe and for the shop to have the necessary insurance. It is not my fault. Nor is it my responsibility to monitor him.

If this had hit a random customer's car, there is no way in hell we would expect the non present owner of the heli to pay.

This is not the same as handing someone a tx at the field. Even if the guy was standing there watching I'd pin him. But that is not the case.

Mike
03-31-2007 01:40 AM
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sla
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i agree with mjws, he had the tx. bottom line. i like the car scenario, a mechanic test drives your car he is accepting responsibility for it. and if you were not there to babysit and he went to test it, its all on him. this is the reason no one will ever fly my helis unless they put 1500$ on the table or they will accept full responsibility for anything that happens, up to and including mechanical failure.
wasnt in the best judgement for flying next to a congested area with cars and assumably people.
you guys sure are quick to call names.
03-31-2007 07:39 AM
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WRC1610
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the owner wouldnt budge on the story, said that it was my heli, my car, therefore my problem. But after a bit of arm twisting from a lawyer he decided to pay up for the heli and the car. So all's well that ends well i suppose.
03-31-2007 08:26 AM
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DOKEY
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This is what worries me in helping out other people, makes me want to say defiantly no in future must admit though, it was a little foolish flying near parked cars.
Do you expect any one to ever help you again??
Just a question, not slamming.
03-31-2007 08:46 AM
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951_Powerstroke
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Just wondering......

What was the LHS doing to your heli anyway??



Of coarse I know how to fly this thing, but if you see me running try to keep up!!
03-31-2007 08:58 AM
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WRC1610
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I dont really expect i'll be to welcome there anyways so probably no help in the future. I dont plan on going back; they were a big chain anyways, Hobbytown USA. Its just unfortunate that the next hobby store is about 45min. away. Oh well, just more incentive to not crash . I had done some modification to the rudder servo mounting, on a 3DXL its way up front by the motor, but i moved it back and mounted it on the tail boom and I installed an new aluminium tail rotor assembly, I wanted to make sure I did it all right as I dont think theres any shame in admiting something is a bit beyond your skill level. he was tuning the gyro and headspeed when it happened. The key thing is that he unwrapped the antenna and re tied it around the landing skids, not only did the antenna touch aluminium but it also crossed over itself a few times, I didnt know that he did that untill after the crash.
03-31-2007 07:03 PM
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sla
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well glad it worked out for you. this is a lesson learned for me and in the future like i said, no one flys mine unless full responsibility is accepted for anything that happens and 1500$ is put on the table.
03-31-2007 07:17 PM
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CrashTestPilot
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this is a lesson learned for me and in the future like i said, no one flys mine unless full responsibility is accepted for anything that happens and 1500$ is put on the table.

You won't find anyone willing to help you if you ever need it.
04-01-2007 01:52 AM
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Tyler
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Location: Chicagoland area

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Simple policy we use....

1) If I offer my model to someone else to fly, I am responsible for everything. I only offer my model to those I trust completely, and with whom I have a STRONG friendship. If the cost of my model or other damage will risk our friendship, then I don't offer.

2) If someone asks to fly my model, they are responsible for anything pilot related. I am still responsible for my model and its performance. I built it, I set it up, I own it. I can still say no when they ask.

3) If I ask someone to help me, they are not responsible for anything other than pilot error, but only if the pilot error is due to clowning around and taking unnecessary risks and they just dumb thumb it. If I can't fly my own model, fix my own model, or set up my own model, then I go to someone I respect and trust. Again, if the cost of a repair will destroy our friendship, I don't hand over the radio. If they try to help out of the goodness of their heart, and they are taking on a problematic model, I don't feel they deserve to be financially responsible.

If someone wants to hold me responsible for crashing their model when helping them, they would be better off just crashing it themselves and quickly leaving the hobby.

I had a friend close my garage door on my brand new minivan, thus causing $1700 worth of damage. I fixed it myself because he thought my garage door opener button was the door bell. Guess who used a door bell as a garage door opener? Nope, not me. The previous owner of the home. Guess who owned the home? Yep, me. I was responsible. His friendship was worth $1700 to me. I didn't like the huge dent and scratch in my car, but I sure did like my friend, and I still do and our relationship has lasted.

If you can put a price tag on your friendships, you don't have friends.

Sounds like your car is more valuable to you than people.

Next time, have your fancy BMW fix your heli.

Next time, don't risk your fancy BMW by driving it. Keep it at home where you can idolize it when you return from seeing your "friends" and "respected" acquaintences. Oh, yeah, that won't work either because nobody will see your BMW if you keep it protected and hidden away all the time. What would your ego do then?

Before fellow BMW owners flame me, let me state that all BMW owners don't value their car more than they value people and friendships. However, this is not the case here, in my opinion.

[quote] So all's well that ends well i suppose.[/quote]

Bull Dinky

Tyler
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