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racer944
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Guys I'm a little confused here and may have misunderstood the above post referring to Canada and a 7kg limit...

Canada does not have any regulations pertaining to AP specifically. As we are a for profit flying business, we are no longer classified as models, and we are governed under the Transport Canada UAV rules. In here I can find no mention of any weight exemptions related to smaller AP ships, etc. As far as I know, the rules for us are the UAV rules and that amongst other things requires us to file (at least 20 days prior to job) and obtain an SFOC (Special Flight Pperations Certificate) every time we liftoff.

As I am new to this, please let me know if I am incorrect. I suspect that Transport Canada may be keeping an eye on what the FAA is doing when it comes to time to further develop regulations, so my hope is that cool heads will prevail in these debates and something usable will emerge. Alternatively, since it would appear that Canada is somewhat further ahead in terms of understanding the AP business, working with AP operators, and developing specific rules for AP, perhaps the FAA may look to Canada to provide some input...

Cheers;
Eric

P.S. Is that 7KG limit in the UK talked about an all up weight or a payload weight? If its an all up weight that would exclude most gasser helicopters from being used for anything meaningful...
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patrickegan
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25 Lbs, (11.36Kgs or 1.785 Stones) VLOS, autonomous with PIC, exemption 50 Lbs (25 Kgs or 3.57 stones) VLOS, autonomous with PIC Lightly regulated.

The other problem we have here is the “contractors” ! Some of the same players that helped out in Oz are trying to lock it up here. These guys want the whole enchilada and really have no regard for any small operators.

More info coming to light today, keep a weather eye out mate for more cryptic tidbits in the February RCAPA newsletter. Arrr, anyone be know'en where a swab could get a deal on good used parrot?
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JohnC
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The 7Kg weight is for the whole aircraft 'without it's fuel' - so it includes the heli and the payload. Hence it does exclude pretty much all gassers carrying anything worthwhile.

You can do a lot with an electric though : my Joker 2, mount, camera and everything else comes in at 7Kg.

It is not clear though whether 'without it's fuel' means without batteries. I think the electrics are ahead of the thinking when the rule was made.

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MPA
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Location: Australia

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Eric.

The referal to Canada is in relation to the fact the Canadian Regulations or position taken, seem to be aligned with other regulations such as our specific UAV regulations that we have in Australia for the last 4 and a bit years, and that others like New Zelanad have followed on with.
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MPA
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Patrick, if they follow the Oz route, and at the same time state that there is no exclusion for smaller craft, they are lying to the FAA.
They have told a ship load of porkies in the past and will do it again, they woukld play the FAA like a Harp if they could, they played a few tunes on CASA.

The regulations here do allow us an exclusion of any aircraft up to 25Kg, it is complicated to some to calcuate what our applicable weight is in 101 rewgs, but it is all there and quite specific.

CASA uses this complexity to baffle people with bull and get away with the informal position they have.
But cornered on it, they admit it is just a decree of theirs not the law, and brought about by a CASA lawyer.

That is, CASA informaly states outside of the written regulations to ignore this exclusion written into the regs.
They say to others they have conned that there is no such exclusion.

They make threats to us not to operate, but they have no grounds to prosecute any of us if we cite the fact we operated under the 101 regulations as it is written,

If they do go on and prosecute anyone of us they risk one of us bringing a silk to court (QC) to blow their position they currently take as not legally substantiuated.
They could face litigation as a result of loss of profit from many who where banned from operating over the last 4 years, like me.

There is no written statement that confirms their verbal position, there is nothing written that would show it was done by any CASA administrative action.

In court, it would be heresay unless they produce such documents to substantiate their position that the regs of their chosing should be ignored, which is what their current position is..

Cant find anyone that can get this in writing from CASA.
When I asked I was promised it, yet nothing ever came and that was about 3 years ago.


If the FAA beleives these used car salesmen about Oz regs, they might get a shock later when it is proven in a court somewhere in Aus that CASA was wrong, and much fecal matter hits rotating blades.

You need to make it know that CASA does not actually administrate the operations according to its own regs, but to some non written informal verbal decree that could turn into vapour anytime CASA chooses to drop it.

Right about then the FAA could be wishing it looked to the UK example rather than Australia.

Cheers
Dave
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patrickegan
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Dave,

Do you think it possible that “contractors” were pulling for aircraft certification? Cause that’s what going on here!
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MPA
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Their vision of the futre is not an inclusive one.

CASA was used to get rid of the opposition, I am sure they will do the same with the FAA.

If they have the ear of the FAA, why not use it to rid themselves of most competitors and keep the price tag of such gear nice and high.
This serves theire ultimate aim of securing govt ccontracts, and we all know how over blown the pricing is there.

All these small operators allowed to continue using cheap affordable gear as we do, could let the cat out of the bag and the future govt clients may find out how much they have been ripped off,

and that would not be good for business for those who are planning on throwing large amounts of other peoples cash at it to secure govt or even military business, and finance the gravy train and the snouts in the trough.
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patrickegan
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Let’s just say I’ve heard estimates that the UAV/UAS thing will be worth tens of Billion’s (US) a year!
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patrickegan
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Feb newsletter is out

http://www.rcapa.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1204
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MPA
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Location: Australia

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For those who have asked me for the full blown details of CASA regulations and the inconsitencies that exist between CASA directives and the regulations as they are written.

Here is page 1 of it

http://birdcagesoft.com/heli/casr101.html

It is posted on my server.
No cowbell, I wrote the page in Notepad, sans spell check.

If someone wants to make it look legible and send me back a copy Ill post it.
Im just too pressed for time to do more right now.

Any subject matter that includes information passed to me from others, for example, what CASA told them, will be included in page 2.

If anyone has something they want to submit as a CASA quote, it will help us all fill in the dots.
More may surface, we may get to the bottom of some issues not answered in the last 4 years.
And find out why we got screwed so hard, and by who.

Cheers
Dave

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BigguyOz
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Location: Forster, New South Wales, Australia

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CASA quagmire

thanks Dave, I have tidied up the document and can email it to you if you PM me your email address.
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patrickegan
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DO you mind if I link this at RCAPA?
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MPA
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Location: Australia

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Thanks Tony

Patrick, yes, use it as you see fit.

Cheers
Dave

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lvspark
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Location: Walla Walla

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Here it comes

Get ready guys...
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...s-for-uavs.html
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MPA
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Seems to state that effctive from tommorrow, you are all grounded in the USA.

As news goes, doesnt get much worse than this.

Looks like the UK are the only ones left who exclude smaller Helicams.

All that bull about consultation seems to be the same lip service we got from CASA.
Doug Davis seems to be the Mal Walker of FAA.
Why not call him up and tell him what you think of him.

Well, it was fun while it lasted and glad I met you all.

Dave

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patrickegan
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Everyone feel free to give Mr. Nick Sabatini a call tomorrow @ 202-267-3131 and tell him what you think. Oh, and don’t forget to write him a nice Valentine.


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doublah
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I am confused. I have just ordered the new Gasser from NRI. What is going on? I am not understanding it. Can someone please explain. THanks, David


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W4UAV
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Burnt Offering
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Whatever happens, I don't see thousands of R/C APers throwing down their TX and walking away. I can't see for the life of me how they could enforce any kind of new guidelines. What? a new Gestapo?
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GMcNair
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Ding Dong.

Who's there?

Land shark.

See, the FAA needs to pick on us, because they don't have time to go after stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz1h3BN2NlI

Actually, that's not a fair statement. This was filmed in Venezuela where the FAA has no jurisdiction. Yet.
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