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HeliNY
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Well this is the greatest advertisement for the Phoenix sim yet! Sims should be user friendly, affordable and fun to use, Reflex has complicated it and added high cost. This is the PS3 of the sim world, I have a transmitter that is perfect, why use this monstrosity? The choice is clearer then ever now, I guess that is step 2, buy G3.5 or Phoenix.
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nheather
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I am also sure that it will be possibly to update Reflex XTR to Reflex iVor, not for free off couse.

Not convinced. It would be very nice of course but if I were Reflex's accountant I would be very concerned about such an offer.

I guessing that, even if they can recycle the components within the old dongles, the cost of receiving 1000s of old dongles and dispatching new ones back would have a major negative impact on Reflex's accounts.

Likewise if the new dongle were free, then you could argue that the upgrade to iVol would be 100 Euro (335 - 235 Euro), 66 GBP, 130 USD. Whilst not insignificant sums I suspect Reflex would be making a nett loss.

Let's hope for some straight info soon.

Cheers,

Nigel
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HeliNY
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Location: Long Island, NY

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi Nigel, disappointed too I see, it appears that Reflex really dropped the ball on this one. I can see nothing that would compel me to upgrade from the current version as far as learning better it is a sim and nothing short of a 3D holograph would be a large enough leap. So far its seems that keeping the current version of Reflex if you have it, or getting either G3.5 or Phoenix if in the market is a cheaper and a more lucid plan.
Cheers back at ya!
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syl
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Location: Ireland

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I too am a little lost!, there is nothing broken with my transmitter so why try introduce a new "fisher price" transmitter for it....
What are the advantages ????
Apart from the new tx(which is close in price to a new DX7),all we have to look forward to is a few new models and scenes.
Unless im totaly missing something...all the hipe seems to be for nothing!!!
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ThomasJoehnk
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Location: Denmark, Copenhagen

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi

Finally a company tries to setup a new vision for how to implement a better connection between transmitter, simulator and the real world.

Finally a company pinpoints that current technology limits what can be communicated between transmitter and simulator (one way communication based on a link intended for something else).

Finally a company actually brings to market a product where ommunication betweem computer and transmitter is two-way and based on digital USB technology. This will for sure open up a huge bag of posibilities not even realised yet.

Finally a company dares to show that a transmitter doesn't need to be bricklike with silverplastic front.

Finally a company sets up a vision where one can reprogram the transmitter compleatly (as far as I understand it).

Finally a company sets up a reasonable price for a high quality transmitter (try to read about all the quality components this transmitter is built from).

Finally a company shows a vision where the transmitter can be programmed through a user-friendly PC/Windows based program instead of those crappy user interfaces found on most transmitters (including high-end transmitters).

Finally a company sets up a vision where "program your transmitter - try it in the virtual world - go have fun with you multi
thousend doller model" is integrated in a natural way

Finally a simulator software company tries to focus on what it is all about - fast learning of safe and fun flying - instead of
more scenes, more models, more game like features (e.g. multiuser).

Finally a company dares to tell what it is going to do during the next year (step 3 and 4).

Finally a company tries to do something different...

....AND THEN EVERYBODY IS NEGATIVE!


What a shame!



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syl
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Location: Ireland

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi Thomas,
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Finally a company tries to setup a new vision for how to implement a better connection between transmitter, simulator and the real world.

Can you explain how the new transmitters technology will be of an advantage over the existing ones used already.
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MrMel
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Im drawing totally blank...

They gonna be a radio manufacturer now?

Ehh, why?

Share over the internet? Yeah, I can do that with my 14MZ too, my guess is that most radio will have CF card soon.

"Transmitter-like joystick", well bundle it with a DX7 then?

Maybe its just me, but I dont get this at all.
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nheather
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		ThomasJoehnk

The problem is that Reflex have promised information but we would have to wait until 1st Feb. Now we are here, many questions remained unanswered so is it any surprise that there is so much discontent?

Apart from a few evangelists (and I include you here) most are frustrated with the lack of information.

You, yourself have said that
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I am sure that it will be possibly to update any version of Reflex XTR to newest version for free

How can you say that - do you work for Reflex, do you have insider knowledge or is it just unfounded speculation?

Another evangelist (Knud Pedersen) said that it wasn't just a transmitter but new functionality, new models, new secenes. But where are these. Does he work for Reflex, or does he have insider information or is it just unfounded speculation?

Others have asked the direct question of Reflex Products "Will the upgrade be free for existing customers". The answer they were given was to wait until 1st Feb when all would be clear.

Well it's the 1st Feb and all is as clear as mud.

I do appreciate what Reflex are trying to do with the transmitter. It's not my 'cup of tea' but I do understand it. But I would also stress that the majority of good things that you describe about the transmitter are 'jam tomorrow' - there is no guarantee that they will even happen..

Why can't we have clear answers to simple questions e.g.

Q1 - Will 5.04 be available to existing customers without hardware upgrades
Q2 - What new features (other than support for the new hardware) is in 5.04
Q3 - What upgrades will be available to existing users and what will the terms of those be (e.g. 'free' with optional payment, discounted purchase, full purchase)

I'm 100% sure that most Reflex users are waiting for answers to these and similar questions. In fact I find it strange (almost suspicious that you are not).

Cheers,

Nigel
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Pelos
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Location: Bizkaia (Spain)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm sure (and yes, this is speculation too) that the Reflex people is now busy at Nuremberg, but will answer later some or all that questions. Well, I hope so.
P.D.: I'm agnostic

Is there a life outside the sim?
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nheather
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm sure they are busy.

Certainly, if I were them I wouldn't have promised information on the 1st Feb when I knew full well that I would be so busy that I couldn't possibly deliver on my promises.

Having said that, the answers to some of the questions should be very quick. It is better to get the truth out there than let speculation run riot.

This is all basic Customer Relations stuff.

Cheers,

Nigel
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The man
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The concept is probably quite innovative, but the physical delivery is kind of odd. I still think they should shrink the size a bit.
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rickc
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Location: Creve Coeur IL. (Peoria Area)

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I like Reflex and all the upgrades they have offered in the past for free. I'll spend the 130.00 for the TX to keep from using my 12Z. If they make some money good for them, they have been good to me.

I can see myself placing an order.

Rick
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w.pasman
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		They are extremely vague about what this"brand new R/C concept" actually comprises. Let me comment on their one-liners

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Programming
We will be offering Step 4 iVol xtd from winter 2007. You will find a pc based software to program your own models using your pc monitor, mouse and keyboard. Take advantage of all the multi media support you can get from modern IT environment and extend your knowledge base.

What does this mean? Can you can program figures like "make a loop" and look on the screen make your helicopter do a loop? Or does this only work with planes? And would it be a perfect loop or an ellipse? Would I still have stick control during the loop? Or is it just like full backward stick pull for 10 seconds?

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Test
Test your programming in the simulator. Detect errors and mistakes before they crash your valuable aircraft on the field. Use state of the art online communication to ask for support from other users all over the world. Compare solutions and find the best to suit your purpose.

Adapt
Use the lastet control technology and styles to program your model and adapt them to your iVol. The state of the art RST bus allows you to run solutions in the future not known now. Cascading iVols to a cooperating system or new student-teacher systems are just minor aspects of the possible future options in this innovative system..
Cascading iVols? Not a clue what they are trying to say here. In fact sounds like they don't know themselves yet :-D


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Fly
Use the iVol life extension in Step 3 from Summer 2007 to actively use your iVol for flying on the field. Experience the unbeaten operational safety from the most intelligent technical design.

Ah so right now we can only play on the computer with this thing?
Also not mentioned: do we have to modify the heli/planes to work with this thing? How expensive will the Reflex modification & receiver kit be? Do I need an extra 2kg GPS/inertial tracking system with cameras and extra batteries? Can I do tham mere level flight with it?

I hope it's clear that these one liners are more triggering fantasy than they claim anything more than being an alternative controller for Reflex simulator. I don't see anything concrete that would backup the claim "brand new RC concept"
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The man
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I am sure you can program a Kaos switch from what it looks.
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vitek
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Location: Corvallis, OR

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm sure most of you realize that you just can't program a maneuver into a transmitter and have an aircraft 'just do it'. Both MIT and Carnegiee-Melon have aerobatic helicopter projects that are successfully flying pre-programmed maneuvers, but the computing power required to do such a thing would definitely not cost less than $200 USD, would not fit into a standard transmitter form factor, and would be impossible without instrumentation on the aircraft itself.

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ThomasJoehnk
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Location: Denmark, Copenhagen

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi

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Can you explain how the new transmitters technology will be of an advantage over the existing ones used already

Try to read old posts where beginners stryggle to get their transmitter X to work with simulator Y (all of them). With two-way digital communication the simulator can take care of the complete setup of your transmitter. Just plug and fly.

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Share over the internet? Yeah, I can do that with my 14MZ too, my guess is that most radio will have CF card soon.

Well, the 14Z is a US$ 2000 transmitter! More radios will for sure have this feature in the near future though.

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Apart from a few evangelists (and I include you here) most are frustrated with the lack of information.

Why do you think I am an evangelist just because I think it is good for *our* hobby that some of the companies we buy goods from tries to go a totally unexpected route. I have not written a single statement about wether Reflex is good or not. But if you ask - yes I like it. I also like AFPD. I have even considered buying the new Phenix because so many people like it. To me all the major simulators do a very great job at teaching people how to fly. I am actually bored of all this 'is simulator X better than simulator Y?' because they all do a very great job. Some have a few more features, some can be used as games as well, some have great customer support, some have great websites and so on. I just like companies who risks *everything* in order to come up with new things.

Or maybe I should just face that this hobby is the most religious hobby one can find!

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You, yourself have said that "I am sure that it will be possibly to update any version of Reflex XTR to newest version for free"

How can you say that - do you work for Reflex, do you have insider knowledge or is it just unfounded speculation?

Well, this is the way it has worked out for all updates of Reflex XTR so far.

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Well it's the 1st Feb and all is as clear as mud.

Totally agree. I also miss a lot of information. But I have the time to wait. The Reflex team is a very small team (as far as I know) and this is fine for me.

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I do appreciate what Reflex are trying to do with the transmitter. It's not my 'cup of tea' but I do understand it. But I would also stress that the majority of good things that you describe about the transmitter are 'jam tomorrow' - there is no guarantee that they will even happen

As said above - I think the Reflex company is running a very huge risk. I also think they know this. I will follow step 3 and step 4 very closely because I expect to buy a new readio this year.


And just to make sure - I DON'T WORK for Reflex, I just happen to be a happy user of their software. I am a happy user of another simulator as well. And I am looking foreward to see whether step 2/3/4 is a brilliant idea or just a huge fiasko!

:-) Thomas



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dogg5306
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Location: Brussels, Belgium

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Who the hell need such a thing
It seems to me that the goal when you own an heli is to be able to fly it the best you can...

I really don't need a computer that been programmed to get the job done for me! Full stop!... and those people are the current Reflex customer base...

Hey... they didn't put a vibrator in their advanced PS3 controller device...


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AnnihilaT
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Im sorry but some of these comments are just too funny. How can you slam something you dont even understand yet. They are simply announcing a platform which will allow endless developments to be made on top of it. They havent explained it fully yet so we can only speculate on what the possibilities and developments will be. The guys are also gone for a week or more to the Nuremebourg toy fair. Do you think they have time to come explain their new products to you in terms you will understand?

If you dont see the possibilities they are suggesting from the information they were able to put together and put on the website for now, then just wait a bit and see. It will eventually be explained in more detail and then you can decide if its something for you or not. Some people here are taking it personally that a company would dare to release a new product that they dont understand or have a use for. SO WHAT! DONT BUY IT THEN!

In the meantime chill out. Reflex has done nothing but disapoint some people who were expecting something different and make some other people hungry to hear more. If you are disapointed you only have your own expectations to blame. Stop slamming a company for trying to be innovative and bring something NEW to the market.





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andythilo
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Location: Saffron Walden, Essex, UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I think a lot of people we're hoping for an upgrade that made it fly properly. Not too much to ask for was it?.

Instead they get this. Sorry but i've already sold my XTR and am now using Phoenix, with my controller.
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nheather
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How can you slam something you dont even understand yet. They are simply announcing a platform which will allow endless developments to be made on top of it.

Not just announcing it - you can put it in the CART and pay for it.

So I reverse the question - how can Reflex be prepared to sell something that is not even described properly?

I think as potential consumers we have the right to ask what does the thing up for sale do!

Cheers,

Nigel
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