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Speedbird370
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DKTek,
I don’t know if it’s the esc or not, there was no excessive heat or other signs of trouble, it just cut power for half a sec and then spooled right back up again...
I’m going to the field for another testflight this evening,
I have changed the antenna location, ferrits on the esc receiver cable and reprogrammed the esc to manual timing and see if it helps


hazchem88,
Some say not to use it but I fly in HH mode and it works just
fine, as you know I don’t have a lot of flying time on my XLV yet but so far it feels good in HH mode with GY401 and a strong 9451 servo

/Perry
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DKTek
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Hmm, I think the HH thought is that the XLV requires a very strong tail servo due to the mass of the tail rotor. Back when the manual was written, digi's were new and the speed of the analog S9206 aren't within tolorances for HH mode. Check the specs for the digi's that come with the 401. Lots of speed but weak on torque, OK for a 90 or 60 size machines. Guys flying the heavy scale heli's have had problems with servo stall when using the included digi's. 50 oz servo's are marginal at best, especially when you use a multi balded tail rotor the size of the XLV's.

Perry, I hope your changes work for you. I'll be checking back often. Later...

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Speedbird370
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Well I moved the antenna to the top of the tailboom and a ferrit
on the esc recivercable and it appear to have cured the glitches

Did a quick testflight yesterday,
First a rangecheck and then some soft flying around
and hovering without any sign of glitches

I did not fly far away though do to high wind speeds...
I don’t yet have the courage to let this massive thing stretch its legs in high winds, could be though to auto this thing downwind without a
driven tail I think,
I will test some autos into the wind with it first so I know how it behaves if I
need to do an emergency auto with it some time


/Perry
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DKTek
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Perry, way to go man! Glade you nipped that glitch. AUTO's, video please.

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Speedbird370
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Here is the video from testflight 3
some faster forward flying then I done before,
and I finally got the gyro set up just right so
the tail don’t kick out in climb outs

http://media.putfile.com/xlv-e-testflight-3

and no glitches
the ferrits really do it I think

And also, my XLV - E got some attention in the local newspaper
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8017
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8016

/Perry
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good stuff Perry. Nice to see a little hoarsing around. Nice camera work as well.

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hazchem88
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I like the photo where you are both holding the XLV - it looks enormous!!
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Speedbird370
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I like the photo where you are both holding the XLV - it looks enormous!!

It feels enormous too when holding it like that

/Perry
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Just a little update

Flying in hot summer weather has shown the need for a fan to cool the motor, pics are coming soon

In the meantime,
Here is some new pics
a close fly by...
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8303

and in the trailer, with my other helis,
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=7959

/Perry
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Very nice Perry!!! Awesome hangar and tenents you have there. That's good stuff...

Check this rotor set up...




DK

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Speedbird370
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The 3 - blade setup looks sweet on you XLV DKTek

Have you flown it yet ?
if so, how does it behave in the air ?

Do you have the 29cc engine in it ?
the 23cc may struggle a bit spinning those 3 - blade heads...
the JetCat will not have that problem though

/Perry
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Perry, I built this config for photos as I will fly it with the stock head and the 27cc for now. I want to get used to the big guy first. Then I'll dive into the turbine and three blade head. I can't waite but I must for my own sanity. Watching videos of the CamClone 250 with the three blade head looks very stable. I'm told this head is almost as stable as a flybar head and doesn't require gyro's.

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Speedbird370
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Some pics of the motor cooling fans
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8596
120mm computerfans do the job well when
flying in summer temps, 25- 27 C
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8595
with the fans on, the motor only gets up to 60 C
before it was hotter then 80 C

/Perry
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Speedbird370
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After aprox 6 hours of fight time I noticed that the motor adaptor
in my XLV has got some radial play in it,
http://www.rcheli.se/phpBB220/album_pic.php?pic_id=8597

the bearing seems fine but I think the brass is a little to soft to withstand the forces, so time to bring out the lathe and make an steel ring that fits on the adaptor inside the bearing, maybe I change this bearing to an larger one to be on the safe side

/Perry
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DON SEAY
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Mount for E- XLV

Hi Perry
I had the same problem with a Ion that I built using a Actro motor. It seems when you use a dial indicator, the shaft does not run true with the bell housing of the motor.Not much but at the RPM it does not take much to have a slight vibration.
I noticed in your video I could hear the same noise that my Ion would make on start up. And as the RPM increase the frequency of the noise would change do to the vibration.
I am using 303 stainless for the adaptor. Why, it does not rust and it is EZ to work with on the lathe. Also I mention to you in a PM that I used double bearings. This was to take stress off the Actro bearing in the motor. I have built [6] E- helis and it seems if their is any side load on the motor and depending on the quailty of the bearing they just don't last long.It seems like any side load these motors just might have problem unless you change the bearing within the motor to ceramic bearings.

Regards,
Don

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hazchem88
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Don, your comments about the XLV motor set-up worry me!

I had a metawork company make my motor mount and adaptor at great cost.
I don't have access to a lathe, so I cannot continually upgrade and change my motor set-up. If what I am using will not last (or eventually damage the motor bearings) then I have to think about it's future.
Maybe I am stuck with future problems too big for me, maybe I have bit off more than I can chew!

I will use my XLV for a while and re-assess how it goes, whether to spend even more money on the setup or (sniff) sell!
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Don, your comments about the XLV motor set-up worry me!

I had a metawork company make my motor mount and adaptor at great cost.
I don't have access to a lathe, so I cannot continually upgrade and change my motor set-up. If what I am using will not last (or eventually damage the motor bearings) then I have to think about it's future.
Maybe I am stuck with future problems too big for me, maybe I have bit off more than I can chew!

I will use my XLV for a while and re-assess how it goes, whether to spend even more money on the setup or (sniff) sell!

don’t worry hazchem88

your mount and adaptor looks good,
should be possible to fit another larger bearing above the one in the lower bearing plate without modifying the adaptor I think

the adaptor I first made lasted about 6 hours in flight before some very small play can be seen,
and the easy fix for this is just to add an thicker bearing plate to the bottom, look at Dons pics in your build thread
fitting a second bearing to cope with the forces,
and of cause carefully balance the assembly as good as you can,
this should make things run smooth so the adaptor don’t get damaged in the first place

the bearing at the back of the Actro is a large one made to last with the forces of an 18inch propeller @ 10000 rpm sitting at the front without a front bearing, flown maybe in hard 3d maneuvers and it still holds up in that case

the rubber things that Don fitted to he’s motor mount can smooth things out even more though,
and as I’m going to rebuild the mount this winter I may use he’s design to cope with the increased forces when the scale fuse is mounted

My xlv conversion is still in development and when I find out new things that can be improved or not go as planed I try to be quick to get the info out on the forums ASAP

by the way, Don
good job on improving the motor mount

/Perry
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OK thanks for the re-assuring words!
Maybe I will add a 2nd bearing above the first to be safe
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DON SEAY
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E-XLV bearings

The bearings I used were from Boca bearing Company. I had some ceramic bearing that we used in a Zenoah 260rc motor left over. Little over kill but these were the same diameter ID for the crankshaft so it just made since to go this way.
Perry what worried me with the Actro motor was the side load on the motor bearing. A prop fastened to the Actro motor has very little side load only in 3D does it see any side load and really not much. But in our case the pulley with the belt has side load all the time. One bearing may work fine but I was also worried about the belt flopping like it does on my XLV gasser. If you look at the build on the XLV turbine they don't use a belt.
So the goal was to take care of the belt tension load, side load, and the vibration isolated from the motor. And with the pan cake computer fans removing the heat I think the E-XLV will be a solid built flyer which should last for a long time.

hazchem88 what did your mount cost to have made? I could make you a bearing block if you need it for the second bearing. I have 8 hours from start to finish in mind. But it was a design build as I was making it. So the learning curve was the killer.
Regards,
Don

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hazchem88
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don,
my mount and adaptor cost about £200+VAT,
I did the design, then got my metalwork company to make it up with their CNC machines.

Everything was right first time.
What I will do is double up the bottom plate, and put in a 2nd bearing.

I'll take a picture when it is done. Hopefully that will do it.

Thank you for your offer of making a bearing mount.
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