red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ
My Posts This: Topic Forum | Here is how I started initially:
I counted piro rate "One. Two. Three." to determine my swirl rate.
After 3rd tail in, I jump in and start cw swirl with left rudder piro. This is what I call fake piro as there is no way you can correct for position along the way. But none the less it is piroflip if you want to do them bad. 
I then started doing constant altitude no level transition fig 8s.
that means you don't level out when you cross from left to right circle. Basically it looks like 2 circles stuck together and touching at the tangent point only.
Most beginners do lazy stretched fig 8 as if you were to take rubber band between two index fingers and stretch a little and twist. They start out with level 45deg heading and enter a turn with anxiety to hurry and get back to level flying again. If you do two circle fig 8, there is no resting in between two halves of fig 8 so you are forced to learn balanced bank turn and learn to compensate pitch and elevator cyclic to be in the constant banked turn. While you are in the turn, if you see nose or tail (leading part) being droop lower than back end by more than 10-15deg, you are using too much collective. At this point (assuming you can maintain the turn at constant altitude), reduce collective and increase elev.
For forware fig 8, that means less positive pitch and pull elev stick. As you do this you will find out that heli starts to slow down a little but instead of plowing through the turn it will feel like it is floating.
After you do fig 8 four ways as described above, learn snake fig 8 as this is critical transitioning step toward piro flip.
Again maintain level altitude, and at transition, roll opposite to way you rolled previously so if you were upright left turn, you will enter inverted right turn.
Basically, you do left circle in upright and right circle in inverted.
When you have learned forward and backward snake 8 it is time to move onto piro circles. Actually left upright and right inverted piro circles. I would say do piro fig 8s in upright and inverted but to do piro flip the other side although good to do are not necessary.
Doing piro circle (at least 20-30deg bank) teaches you swirl cyclic correction at constant heading change.
I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommand putting neon colored 2x2 square tape on top and bottom so you can see the rotor disc vividly throughout the piro circle.
Once you can do piro circles upright and inverted, it is time to learn snake piro fig 8 where your transition should look like when you did the snake fig 8. The critical part you will learn is that at the transition, your swirl deflection(cyclic stick deflection) will increase and make it roll while piroing.
It is this transitioning from upright piro cicle to inverted is the KEY you need to feel and understand.
Once you learn to do snake piro fig 8, then start tightening the radius and you will end up with piro flip.
I guarantee that you will learn piro flip right way without suffering through trying to learn piro flip on its own.
Not only that you will already have mastered multi piro piroflip as well as single piro piro flip.
I credit Don Yoo JR rep for directing me toward learning fig 8s and Pete Niotis G3 virtual video for learning piro flips.
www.JustinJee.com |
Maybe I can find somone to video tape for me.
