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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > THE SYNERGY REVOLUTION !!
 
 
crankycrankcase
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"For all you fresh newbies that haven't had to go through the trials and tribulations of heli's being pushed to their limits... watching things explode... going back to the drawing board to make parts better... well you're going to be spoiled now.

20 years ago, these things could barely fly let alone do any type of aerobatics with any reasonable finesse. Times have changed my friends. Cause you see, up until recently, these helicopters weren't designed to do what we basically force them to do. No one could even conceive ten years ago that these machines could even do a fraction of what they do now.

I just want to touch on a point that's in the title of this post. "Revolution". Why is this a revolution you may ask? It's simple really. In the present year 2006, you are witnessing a profound change in the industry. Remember, these helicopters were made up. We basically had to make up the rules as we went along. As the Youngbloods and Bennetts and Krauses and Szabos of the world helped to further the hobby with their type of flying, the machines had to be able to keep up. As you know sometimes they did, and sometimes they didn't. It was a crapshoot whether or not you'd have a boom strike at the end of a death spiral coming out inverted tail first, or if your tail is just going to explode because the machine doesn't implement thrust bearings. The list goes on and on.

In a nut shell folks, the days of having to change out and upgrade parts just to make a heli fly the way we want is over. If there was ever a heli to do just that, you're seeing it right now. The Synergy N9 is such a radical change from what we've been used to. This heli is now going to set the "new" standard by which all others must follow or get left behind. For all you engineers out there who know mechanics know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't have to sell you on this point. Just look at the machine and you'll see how everything on the heli just simply makes sense. For those of you who are new to heli's and you don't see what the veterans see, just sit back and relax. It'll all sink in, in time.

When anyone makes a purchase whether it's a car, a house, a boat or a RC heli, you find comfort in knowing that your purchase has something of great value to you emotionally. There is nothing worse than buying something that you get no enjoyment out of. That just puts a damper on your spirit. You want to be able to take pride in your purchase. It's just natural. I don't have to tell any one of you that buying this machine wouldn't give you guys that proud feeling of ownership.

So the revolution is underway. We now have a helicopter that doesn't need upgrades. Parts count is very low. It's VERY VERY reasonably priced. It's simply beautiful to look at. it flys like nobody's business. It stays together. It's simple to maintain. It's light. It's fast. And it'll do more than 90% of us could even make it do. Now haven't we been asking for that for some time now."

It just makes sense

Derek
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BigChopper
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check is in the post?

How much did you get paid for that?
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crankycrankcase
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http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t267045p1/

ROFLMAO



Derek
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z11355
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Do you actually believe the massive BS you're spewing?
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crankycrankcase
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Z

This game is full of BS.

Check the link I posted !


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a3dpilotusa
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Nice, totally unproven design is sold for low profit margins hoping for large sales. So what happens when sales are slow... can anyone say bankruptcy and lots of people with no parts to fix their new machines. Lots of nice machines out there. Raptor SE, New Arora, Stratus, not to mention some nice flying 50 stuff. Selling raptor quantities is a thing of the past. There are just too many good flying heli.

i want to buy a Synergy or Avant, just can not decide which will be around next year. I hope they both fly great and bring the prices down for all of us!
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ninob660
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that was funny crankycrankcase!!!
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The_Dave
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20 years ago, these things could barely fly let alone do any type of aerobatics with any reasonable finesse.


Hmmmm, that statement right there pretty much marginalizes that whole post.

I was very much around 20 years ago and believe me, they flew and flew quite well. I am sure the Synergy is a fine machine, but lets not fool ourselves, its the guy holding the TX that determines what a machine will do. As I have said before, poor is the carpenter who blames his tools.

Oh, and save the slams...I have been in the game a long time, heard it all, really don't care.



Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
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The_Dave
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crankycrankcase


I see now that you are quoting another post....so, please no offense...however the comment still applies, just redirect as required!

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
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Helinutnz
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Yes lots of fine heli's out there. The_Dave makes sense. There certainly has been design changes that have improved the helis we have to fly nowadays. There has been many brilliant all metal machines flying F3C for a long time and a beautiful works of art with the most excellent flying qualities. The 3D machine however benefits a huge amount from lightweight strong constuction. I have no doubt the synergy and Aurora are reaching the peak of the best out there for 3D flying but where we will see a winner is in the maintainence cost, parts price and availability areas.

Where we benefit the most is in the competition to produce radical, robust great flying machines and deliver to the enthusiasts for reasonable costs and the ability to repair without having to take out a second mortgage. Then we push our machines harder and get better flying them quicker.

The_Dave states it's the guy holding the TX that determines what a machine will do. Nothing truer. End of story.

There is no doubt the machines have become more affordable......bling is not required as near as much for a great flying heli. The deliniation between the best 3D heli's and the worst is narrower. Slam me if you think thats bollocks but it's my humble opinion only.

I know he's gone Avant but look what AS Jr did for TT and the R90 SE.

Buy any new age heli and more than likely it will be able to outperform 95% of us and our flying skills. I believe it comes down more now to Cost, parts cost and availability, personal design likes/dislikes, looks and wether YOU like the way it flies.

A small group of us will still

A. Be biased as to the decisions they have made
B. Want to spend the most on the "best" machine
C. Like a particular brand and anything else is rubbish
D. Follow the crowd

So why can't we stop all conjecture and stop assuming and let these guys get these things out on the shelves and just see what we have got?
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blade3d
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I think it's too expensice to be as popular as the Raptor series LOVE mt RAPPIES guess thay will have some customers.

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ifly25
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Let me see if I get this right.... a new heli comes out with what we used to call "upgrades" all included out-of-the-box and this is some new "revolution" (or perhaps revelation)? I think I would realistically term it as natural progression which all the manufacturers, aiming at the same market share Synergy is aiming at, are going to. To equate it to other terms, when power windows and locks came out as the "norm" on automobiles, was that a "revolution"? I don't think so. If Al Unser Jr. wants to buy a production car that drives like his race car, he's not going to buy a Yugo and he's not going to get a car to perform like his race car without upgrades so it doesn't blow up. The Synergy is coming with "upgrades" for the Al Unser Jr. types but it probably won't really matter much for the majority of the pilots. When was the last time you went to your local flying field and saw all or most of the heli pilots doing Chaos's, inverted backwards snakes, etc? That's still a niche market, not the norm. Flame away if you want - but remember that you'll probably be doing it from Utopia, not reality!
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TYREE
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The Dave is.....

Right and wrong(or remiss).

It's really like this.........

The pilot is tied to the capabilities of the Heli....

The heli is tied to the capabilities of the pilot....

What a heli does after it lifts off is a matter of.... BOTH factors.

No worries,

Ty
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nitro fun
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synergy

synergy hype? has x-cell type head, knight 50 servo mounting location, no lower berings in clutch, short throw on servo not long like x-cell bell cranks? will it work? we shall see in a cupple of years from now, is every hobbie shop going to carry all the parts like raptor? or none like vario? if alan sabo can throw a crappy rappy arround like a mad man and i cant do that with my stratus, then what is the differance what you fly? i try and fly my vw bug off a cliff but it just hit the bottom? just enjoy the hobbie if you are tierd of upgrading the junk you bought then buy a better one that you dont have to upgrade hint hint ( stratus ). just shut up and burn some fuel... that is what confushis would say... later
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daved26
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I think some of you guys are missing the point. I don't think Cranky is saying the Synergy will fly any better than the other brands out there. I have had the oppurtunity to fly TT, Century, Hirobo, MA, and JR. They ALL fly very well...But they all have issues...or at least minor imperfections (not just in the design, but cost, maintenance etc). Cranky is hoping that when the Synergy finally hits the shelves it works as advertised; that is, as taken from the Synergy site:

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"Durability, ease of assembly, repair and maintenance are equally important ingredients in the formula."

"In the design of the Synergy N9, we worked hard to combine proven strengths and eliminate weak designs. By inserting key innovative features into this proven combination of strengths, the Synergy N9 is an industry breakthrough."
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The N9 will not be some radically new design and Synergy has not claimed it will be.

The truly perfect model helicopter...perfect from the standpoint of the above Synergy claims. Will it be perfect? Only time will tell. Will it be perfect in the minds of everyone? It doesn't have to be. It just has to live up to the advertising.

I for one look forward to this helicopter. We should all embrace this type of thinking- Models designed by cutting edge Pilots, not just from pilot feedback.

It seems that Augusto and Jason & Co. (Synergy) are the only ones who get this.

Dave

"I wish my 9C had a reset button"
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nitro fun
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perfect

there is no perfect heli! you either have a formula one race car or a cadalac,
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hansking12
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nitrofun--who are you?

who are you in real life? i ask only because it seems that you live near me (irvine, ca). where and what do you fly?

synergy hovers much better than my evo90 (which is the best hovering of my 90s), yet rips for 3d better than my fury extreme and is much more stable doing it. so it seems that now, one heli can be both. hard to believe huh?

porsches used to be known for their stiff rides--nowadays with pasm working, they're compliant AND handle well at the same time. old mindsets change with technology.

hans
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hansking12
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i love it when

new people with no information on them in their profile sign in to defend miniature products. it almost would make sense if you were a ma rep signing on under a false identity. i am who i say i am right on my screen name.

and i find it difficult to believe a person's opinion when they can't even spell correctly--or is that you trying to throw everyone off the scent of who you really are--if so, that's very clever of you.

eric, isn't it?

hans
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nitro fun
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hanskin12

on the synergy what is the ratio of flybar to direct? what are the degree? from piture that i see of it it has ton of flybar input on bell mixer then with the ofset bell crank the servo will move the swash faster, what are the degree thaat the swash move?
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RappyTappy
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poor is the carpenter who blames his tools


That anaology works against your point. Good tools take a lot less work out of making something very nice and complex then using garbage tools. Same with helis, good helis take a lot less work out of making manuevers look good and flying prowess. But I do agree that it is the one with the TX that makes it all happen, the machine just dicatates how hard he has to work to make the magic happen.

Chris
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